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Conflict Engaged
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-03-17 00:08:42 UTC
Hello guys. I've recently been curious as to if people would use or appreciate a NulSec trade hub, in a region like Providence, which is NRDS. There is technically a trade hub already in existance in Provi, however it's not very big. I'm just curious. Maybe if there were good profits to be made in such a lack of security place (even though Providence sov holders and locals won't fire upon you if you're not KOS), would it be worth anyone's time? Or maybe if it served as just a place for NulSec inhabitants, or maybe the lone travelling pilot going through the region, for them to buy the odd spare set of scanner probes, or more ammo, or something like that. I personally something like that would be awesome to have, as it puts even more control into the players themselves. Let me know what you'd feel like, if something like that was available. Fly safe o7
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-03-17 00:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
The fact that there is one already leads one to believe it is worth the effort.

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Feoria Saissore
Evil League of Evil Corp
#3 - 2015-03-17 02:52:37 UTC
I've been pondering the same thing for the last few weeks. To my knowledge, the only real way to do this with the new Sov changes would be to take one of the crappier systems that lie inbetween other alliances and set up Sov. The biggest thing would be enforcing neutrality on the system. Making sure people know when they enter the system that aggression will not be tolerated and the system is to be a benefit to all comers.

With decent supply lines and a solid defence force you could theoretically make a good trade hub in any of the empty parts of null

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Chevy Hakoke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-03-17 06:12:29 UTC
Conflict Engaged wrote:
Hello guys. I've recently been curious as to if people would use or appreciate a NulSec trade hub, in a region like Providence, which is NRDS. There is technically a trade hub already in existance in Provi, however it's not very big. I'm just curious. Maybe if there were good profits to be made in such a lack of security place (even though Providence sov holders and locals won't fire upon you if you're not KOS), would it be worth anyone's time? Or maybe if it served as just a place for NulSec inhabitants, or maybe the lone travelling pilot going through the region, for them to buy the odd spare set of scanner probes, or more ammo, or something like that. I personally something like that would be awesome to have, as it puts even more control into the players themselves. Let me know what you'd feel like, if something like that was available. Fly safe o7



Provi players may not "officially" shoot at you, but some use alts to pop your hauler (I know a guy who escapted a gate camp involving provi and pirate nuets who were working together to trap him (he had a BR and managed to escape). So trade with Provi is a risk thats not worth the reward.)


On to the topic, a universal null trade hub would be nice, but who would enforce the rules and punish the rule breakers? Who would maintain security? Whats stoppping an established, strong, entity from disrupting trade? What if a group doesn't mind being KOS and does a good job disrupting trade? (Wormhole corp for example).


Eventually trader confidence would be lost and the hub would go dark.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#5 - 2015-03-17 13:48:51 UTC
Feoria Saissore wrote:
I've been pondering the same thing for the last few weeks. To my knowledge, the only real way to do this with the new Sov changes would be to take one of the crappier systems that lie inbetween other alliances and set up Sov. The biggest thing would be enforcing neutrality on the system. Making sure people know when they enter the system that aggression will not be tolerated and the system is to be a benefit to all comers.

With decent supply lines and a solid defence force you could theoretically make a good trade hub in any of the empty parts of null


yeah that wont work as any sov group would be "grrr that space isn't blue all ships attack it"
eve pilots of a tenet for not working well together past shooting things. its depressing.

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Conflict Engaged
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-03-17 17:12:01 UTC
Chevy Hakoke wrote:
Conflict Engaged wrote:
Hello guys. I've recently been curious as to if people would use or appreciate a NulSec trade hub, in a region like Providence, which is NRDS. There is technically a trade hub already in existance in Provi, however it's not very big. I'm just curious. Maybe if there were good profits to be made in such a lack of security place (even though Providence sov holders and locals won't fire upon you if you're not KOS), would it be worth anyone's time? Or maybe if it served as just a place for NulSec inhabitants, or maybe the lone travelling pilot going through the region, for them to buy the odd spare set of scanner probes, or more ammo, or something like that. I personally something like that would be awesome to have, as it puts even more control into the players themselves. Let me know what you'd feel like, if something like that was available. Fly safe o7



Provi players may not "officially" shoot at you, but some use alts to pop your hauler (I know a guy who escapted a gate camp involving provi and pirate nuets who were working together to trap him (he had a BR and managed to escape). So trade with Provi is a risk thats not worth the reward.)


On to the topic, a universal null trade hub would be nice, but who would enforce the rules and punish the rule breakers? Who would maintain security? Whats stoppping an established, strong, entity from disrupting trade? What if a group doesn't mind being KOS and does a good job disrupting trade? (Wormhole corp for example).


Eventually trader confidence would be lost and the hub would go dark.


As such a thing would probably be only possible in Providence, then I guarantee that ProviBloc sov holders would be very strong when it comes to defending that sort of thing. As I'm currently living in ProviBlock, I can tell you, the enforcement of security is not shite. When HERO tried to invade Provi, ProviBlock actually gained sov, which makes me heavily believe that security wouldn't be too much of an issue.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#7 - 2015-03-17 19:09:06 UTC
Chevy Hakoke wrote:
Conflict Engaged wrote:
Hello guys. I've recently been curious as to if people would use or appreciate a NulSec trade hub, in a region like Providence, which is NRDS. There is technically a trade hub already in existance in Provi, however it's not very big. I'm just curious. Maybe if there were good profits to be made in such a lack of security place (even though Providence sov holders and locals won't fire upon you if you're not KOS), would it be worth anyone's time? Or maybe if it served as just a place for NulSec inhabitants, or maybe the lone travelling pilot going through the region, for them to buy the odd spare set of scanner probes, or more ammo, or something like that. I personally something like that would be awesome to have, as it puts even more control into the players themselves. Let me know what you'd feel like, if something like that was available. Fly safe o7



Provi players may not "officially" shoot at you, but some use alts to pop your hauler (I know a guy who escapted a gate camp involving provi and pirate nuets who were working together to trap him (he had a BR and managed to escape). So trade with Provi is a risk thats not worth the reward.)


On to the topic, a universal null trade hub would be nice, but who would enforce the rules and punish the rule breakers? Who would maintain security? Whats stoppping an established, strong, entity from disrupting trade? What if a group doesn't mind being KOS and does a good job disrupting trade? (Wormhole corp for example).


Eventually trader confidence would be lost and the hub would go dark.


a good example of this would be Thera, its suppose to be awesome for a layover in using wormholes to go from to jump from 1 area to another while having station access, yet everything I read on thera is the market is garbage, and random holes/stations are camped.

You cant supply low or null because for 1 everyone has the "OMG its not a blue kill it! Keel IT MUST HAS KILLMAIL AND MAKE EPEEN BIGGAR" syndrome, and 2 everyone in null sec has alts that they can use to bring stuff down and super inflated prices, last time I was in null frigate hulls were 5m ea for a 200k ship.

I am against alts in just about every category except if you want to try something different, but everyone wants to play this like a single player game, and believe that its just a game so they can do what ever they want with no consequences.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#8 - 2015-03-17 20:52:55 UTC
I personally like the idea and wouldn't mind helping work towards it. Plus I might get rich doing it Twisted, or go broke, either way P
Conflict Engaged
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-03-17 22:42:15 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Chevy Hakoke wrote:
Conflict Engaged wrote:
Hello guys. I've recently been curious as to if people would use or appreciate a NulSec trade hub, in a region like Providence, which is NRDS. There is technically a trade hub already in existance in Provi, however it's not very big. I'm just curious. Maybe if there were good profits to be made in such a lack of security place (even though Providence sov holders and locals won't fire upon you if you're not KOS), would it be worth anyone's time? Or maybe if it served as just a place for NulSec inhabitants, or maybe the lone travelling pilot going through the region, for them to buy the odd spare set of scanner probes, or more ammo, or something like that. I personally something like that would be awesome to have, as it puts even more control into the players themselves. Let me know what you'd feel like, if something like that was available. Fly safe o7



Provi players may not "officially" shoot at you, but some use alts to pop your hauler (I know a guy who escapted a gate camp involving provi and pirate nuets who were working together to trap him (he had a BR and managed to escape). So trade with Provi is a risk thats not worth the reward.)


On to the topic, a universal null trade hub would be nice, but who would enforce the rules and punish the rule breakers? Who would maintain security? Whats stoppping an established, strong, entity from disrupting trade? What if a group doesn't mind being KOS and does a good job disrupting trade? (Wormhole corp for example).


Eventually trader confidence would be lost and the hub would go dark.


a good example of this would be Thera, its suppose to be awesome for a layover in using wormholes to go from to jump from 1 area to another while having station access, yet everything I read on thera is the market is garbage, and random holes/stations are camped.

You cant supply low or null because for 1 everyone has the "OMG its not a blue kill it! Keel IT MUST HAS KILLMAIL AND MAKE EPEEN BIGGAR" syndrome, and 2 everyone in null sec has alts that they can use to bring stuff down and super inflated prices, last time I was in null frigate hulls were 5m ea for a 200k ship.

I am against alts in just about every category except if you want to try something different, but everyone wants to play this like a single player game, and believe that its just a game so they can do what ever they want with no consequences.


First, the already-existing 'trade hub' is in Providence, so the sov holders aren't gonna kill you. Sure, people KOSed can kill you, but the pipeline from HS to Provi is usually roamed/guarded/protected by Provibloc. I have come across reds in Providence, but that is when I went too close to the border. Security would generally be not too much of a problem, if a real NulSec trade hub was issued in the region. Second, Thera is a terrible example. It's not held by anyone, and is mainly there for PvP. Also, 2m frigates would be of no fault of the trade hub, and if the hub was supplied, there wouldn't be such a problem at all.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#10 - 2015-03-17 23:26:56 UTC
If frigates are 5m ISK, you should probably look at importing a hundred runs worth of BPCs, and a cloaky hauler full of minerals.

Frigates use what, 25000 units of minerals total to build? It isn't much at all.

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Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#11 - 2015-03-18 13:42:41 UTC
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-03-18 14:44:06 UTC
There is a trade hub in null

PFR Freeport allows frieghter traffic and we have no docking fees (this Freeport). In fact we have serveral non aligned frieghter corps that do regular runs.

For mor information contact PFR

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Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#13 - 2015-03-18 15:55:24 UTC
I think Pirate faction regions like Venal, Stain, Curse, Syndicate (LOL) could serve as trade hubs, though there's generally no authority and far too many entities to initiate diplomatic relations, P

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Chevy Hakoke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-03-19 22:14:56 UTC
Agondray wrote:
You cant supply low or null because for 1 everyone has the "OMG its not a blue kill it! Keel IT MUST HAS KILLMAIL AND MAKE EPEEN BIGGAR" syndrome, and 2 everyone in null sec has alts that they can use to bring stuff down and super inflated prices, last time I was in null frigate hulls were 5m ea for a 200k ship.

I am against alts in just about every category except if you want to try something different, but everyone wants to play this like a single player game, and believe that its just a game so they can do what ever they want with no consequences.


Interesting perspective, I didnt think of the effects on lowering price... that said what entity would be ok with losing profit margins to neuts?
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2015-03-19 22:17:32 UTC
Ya0-xj is the biggest nullsec trade hub... you should visit it someday

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Chevy Hakoke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-03-19 22:31:53 UTC
Conflict Engaged wrote:
First, the already-existing 'trade hub' is in Providence, so the sov holders aren't gonna kill you. Sure, people KOSed can kill you, but the pipeline from HS to Provi is usually roamed/guarded/protected by Provibloc. I have come across reds in Providence, but that is when I went too close to the border. Security would generally be not too much of a problem, if a real NulSec trade hub was issued in the region. Second, Thera is a terrible example. It's not held by anyone, and is mainly there for PvP. Also, 2m frigates would be of no fault of the trade hub, and if the hub was supplied, there wouldn't be such a problem at all.



Trade Hub means almost highsec level's of protection. Sec status does not fluctuate. The guy I was speaking about was almost killed in Y-M, thats the entrance to your "trade hub".

If a trader has to factor in survivability... he will prefer just going to Jita than risking billions, especially since security isn't really responsible for his safety
Conflict Engaged
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-03-19 22:46:23 UTC
Chevy Hakoke wrote:
Conflict Engaged wrote:
First, the already-existing 'trade hub' is in Providence, so the sov holders aren't gonna kill you. Sure, people KOSed can kill you, but the pipeline from HS to Provi is usually roamed/guarded/protected by Provibloc. I have come across reds in Providence, but that is when I went too close to the border. Security would generally be not too much of a problem, if a real NulSec trade hub was issued in the region. Second, Thera is a terrible example. It's not held by anyone, and is mainly there for PvP. Also, 2m frigates would be of no fault of the trade hub, and if the hub was supplied, there wouldn't be such a problem at all.



Trade Hub means almost highsec level's of protection. Sec status does not fluctuate. The guy I was speaking about was almost killed in Y-M, thats the entrance to your "trade hub".

If a trader has to factor in survivability... he will prefer just going to Jita than risking billions, especially since security isn't really responsible for his safety

Trade hub means somewhere to buy and sell, not security. And if you're gonna bash about ProviBlock security then you should have a look at the state Brave's in: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lxyxmqA67tU
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#18 - 2015-03-20 07:14:34 UTC
Chevy Hakoke wrote:
Conflict Engaged wrote:
Hello guys. I've recently been curious as to if people would use or appreciate a NulSec trade hub, in a region like Providence, which is NRDS. There is technically a trade hub already in existance in Provi, however it's not very big. I'm just curious. Maybe if there were good profits to be made in such a lack of security place (even though Providence sov holders and locals won't fire upon you if you're not KOS), would it be worth anyone's time? Or maybe if it served as just a place for NulSec inhabitants, or maybe the lone travelling pilot going through the region, for them to buy the odd spare set of scanner probes, or more ammo, or something like that. I personally something like that would be awesome to have, as it puts even more control into the players themselves. Let me know what you'd feel like, if something like that was available. Fly safe o7



Provi players may not "officially" shoot at you, but some use alts to pop your hauler (I know a guy who escapted a gate camp involving provi and pirate nuets who were working together to trap him (he had a BR and managed to escape). So trade with Provi is a risk thats not worth the reward.)


On to the topic, a universal null trade hub would be nice, but who would enforce the rules and punish the rule breakers? Who would maintain security? Whats stoppping an established, strong, entity from disrupting trade? What if a group doesn't mind being KOS and does a good job disrupting trade? (Wormhole corp for example).


Eventually trader confidence would be lost and the hub would go dark.


Was the guy in Brave? Or another KOS group? If so then it wouldn't surprise me. Other than that I've never seen or heard of anyone being target like that, plus in my experience the Provi block people tend to keep the area pretty clear of gate camps and the like. Occasionally get roving gangs of course, but even those they tend to catch and kill. Granted they're no concord, but probably the safest you'll be outside of high lol
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-03-24 20:58:17 UTC
Conflict Engaged wrote:
Hello guys. I've recently been curious as to if people would use or appreciate a NulSec trade hub, in a region like Providence, which is NRDS. There is technically a trade hub already in existance in Provi, however it's not very big. I'm just curious. Maybe if there were good profits to be made in such a lack of security place (even though Providence sov holders and locals won't fire upon you if you're not KOS), would it be worth anyone's time? Or maybe if it served as just a place for NulSec inhabitants, or maybe the lone travelling pilot going through the region, for them to buy the odd spare set of scanner probes, or more ammo, or something like that. I personally something like that would be awesome to have, as it puts even more control into the players themselves. Let me know what you'd feel like, if something like that was available. Fly safe o7


There already is one. I made a killing during provi's war a few months ago. Having an alt blue to each decently sized alliance is very profitable when ships start exploding in null
Conflict Engaged
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-03-24 23:51:40 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Conflict Engaged wrote:
Hello guys. I've recently been curious as to if people would use or appreciate a NulSec trade hub, in a region like Providence, which is NRDS. There is technically a trade hub already in existance in Provi, however it's not very big. I'm just curious. Maybe if there were good profits to be made in such a lack of security place (even though Providence sov holders and locals won't fire upon you if you're not KOS), would it be worth anyone's time? Or maybe if it served as just a place for NulSec inhabitants, or maybe the lone travelling pilot going through the region, for them to buy the odd spare set of scanner probes, or more ammo, or something like that. I personally something like that would be awesome to have, as it puts even more control into the players themselves. Let me know what you'd feel like, if something like that was available. Fly safe o7


There already is one. I made a killing during provi's war a few months ago. Having an alt blue to each decently sized alliance is very profitable when ships start exploding in null

Yeah, I did say there is one. There are a lot of 'freeports' (disregarding bans on reds), but most freeports and hubs in Nul aren't 'proper' hubs. They either lack supply, or just don't have good traffic, but I do see hope, especially in ProviBlock sov, because of NRDS.
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