Ships & Modules

Material cost should rise by a bit, the gap between AF and D3s is a bit too narrow. Pricing is an issue, not really because it's quite cheap, but because AFs seem to suffer from it.

Powergrid should probably be shrunk a little, I don't see many reasons why oversized prop should almost be the default loadout.

Price is clearly a deciding factor when buying and flying a ship, as God's pointed out. No one cares if you are spacerich or poor, it's a matter of where your ship stands on the price scale, compared to other.
And no, it doesn't make Eve pay to win, unless they implement a kiting autopilot that kills you while keeping range and then post automated #rekt messages in local (100 AURUM for 24h). Expensive ships die everyday against much cheaper opponents.

You actually want a ship to cost more?

Gtfo. Now.

Reading between the lines, I'm seeing "I can't fly a t3 dessie, please make it so I don't have to fight them as often"

How so? I don't think I've EVER seen someone complain a ship is too cheap, mostly because the immediate response is "then why the **** aren't you in one?"

So please, enlighten me as to where my comment went wrong

oh boy, you sure showed me I was wrong...

T3 Destroyers only point out how completely crappy AFs are atm. Else, they're great at being a glorified destroyer that shreds any other small hull (what'd you expect, seriously) and becomes useless once you put a cruiser with a competent pilot on the field. Their sig/speed is just not good.
The confessor is a sheet of paper. The svipul got either a tank and fights in spitting range, or it's got artillery and not much of a tank.

Fact that people use them to kill cruisers 1v1 left and right would rather be incompetent pilots on one side rather than T3 dessis OP. In case: A thrasher can kill a ratting tengu, you don't need a svipul for that.

I don't think AFs are crappy at all, I think T3D just replace them and swathes of other ships.

The price isn't the issue, it's their capabilities.
Nerf their grid into the ground -> problem solved.

You retain the capable ship class, though it will no longer be able to curbstomp everything smaller than a BC (that isn't an Ishtar).

T3D have absolute range control, are as small as frigates, are faster than AFs (lol) & Destroyer Hulls, do cruiser levels of damage, have cruiser+ levels of tank, and cannot be tackled by conventional means.

They are the best kiters, the best brawlers, the best bait tankers, and arguably the best gankers (barring a few options).
Not to mention they can also enter small complexes, and warp as fast as frigs to boot.

Did I miss anything?

But lets not forget the competition.
For 2x the cost, you can get a T3D over an AF. AFs aren't bad, they are just without purpose now that T3D are here.

Hell, as someone who commonly flys Interdictors as beefed-up destroyers (sans bubble), I don't see a point of even doing that anymore. Short of needing a disposable bubbling ship, why the hell would anyone fly an Interdictor?

Not to mention, the whole class is by far the least effected by the RLML bullshit that is currently plaguing the game.


Get off your collective asses and balance your bloody game

The first part is nonsense because now that scarcity is no longer an issue (supply has caught up with demand) the cost of the ship is largely determined by its production cost. Faction/pirate ships are inherently different as their cost comes from the BPC so using that as an explanation for your "logic" makes no sense.

Your last sentence is of course the (not so) hidden agenda, which is what your post is about: trying to validate that statement.

Price has never been a balancing factor, it is a detering factor.

The difference is CCP doesn't decide the price, for this see pirate ships; they have the material cost of T1 ships, it is the demand/effectivness of the ship, as Shelom mentioned with the Worm and the Cruror.

As for the detering factor, the reason you don't see everyone in deadspace fit pirate frigs in FW is because they are expensive to replace, and after a while of losing fights you will run out of money, hence the cheaper alternatives.

The key is finding a balance between cost and effectiveness, that doesn't end up with something being cheap and effective simultaneuosly, there should be something that gives. D3s just so happen to be cheap enough whilst retaining effectiveness that they've hit a personal sweet spot where I don't feel to bad about losing one and they are good enough not to be lost too often, providing you know how to fly.

TL;DR Cost is irrelevant, look to actual ship balance if you have an issue and provide real feedback/suggestions

In that case you won't mind if CCP changed the materials/effort so that production cost goes up to 250m.

That doesn't make any logical sense, not even Ishtars cost that much, and we all know how OP they are right?

Also you appear to have misread my point, when I say cost is irrelevant, I dion't mean you can go and screw with it as much as you want, I mean it's not even something that should be considered. Why not look at why the ship is OP: over sized prop mod as standard? Lower PG. too much damage? lower the damage bonus to 7.5 or 5%/level.

Stop trying to use cost as a balancing factor when it is simply a non-factor regarding ship balance. yes it affects how much those ships are used, but look at why they're being used and so effectively and fix that.