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Robyn Hoodlum
Panama Tax Shelter
#1 - 2015-03-17 14:59:07 UTC
Hi,

I have enjoyed my time so far and I feel I am now ready to take the next step.

I have done a bit of hauling
I have done a some mining
I have done some level 4 mission running
I have done combat anomalies (high sec)
I have done exploration (data/relic in WH's, NS & LS)
I have done combat sites (HS)
I have done WH Gas harvesting

All of them was profitable for me at the time while I was training skills, but now I am ready to try something new.

I am now considering my next step that must include small scale pvp, but also has a way of making decent amounts of ISK:

1. Faction Warfare (I can do missions or plex for ISK)
2. Null sec (I suppose mining, ratting or exploration for ISK)
3. WH Corp (pvp, pve and whathaveyou)
4. Low Sec Pirates (I dont know how they make ISK)
5. Mercenaries (I dont know how the members make ISK)

Can anyone possibly give me guidance? I would be doing it on my main of course.
Kali Itinen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-03-17 15:14:09 UTC
One of the big factors to take into account when deciding what to do next in Eve, is where you want to live. When I am going to change my 'focus' in Eve, I typically find a new Corp in an area of space that is doing what I want to do. This then drives what my daily activities look like.

For instance;

  • Living in WH space means you can typically expect PVP daily, and depending on the strength of the Corp, running sleeper sites for HUGE amounts of isk. Every day in WH space is essentially a new adventure, you never know who is going to be in your WH when you wake up. There's usually lots to do(scanning new chains, setting up Hole Sec, identifying good sites, etc). You also have PI, and A LOT of it depending on the quality of the Corp.
  • Living in Nullsec is like the opposite of WH space, you ALWAYS know who is in your System(s) thanks to Local, and your options are the same, excluding missions/sleepers. Nullsec is great Isk also because of the rats, and the Exploration.
  • Low Sec Pirating is like playing the lottery(not a rigged lottery like Iwantisk.com), some days you may get lucky and make a few billion. Other days you won't find anything.
  • FW isn't profitable as far as I know, so doing missions/PLEX/Exploration is necessary.
  • Mercenaries are like Pirates, it's hit or miss, some days you'll get lucky, others you won't.


No matter where you go, you'll always have options for Isk making. I haven't even touched on the options of station trading, industry, PI, etc.

Ultimately YOU decide what you want to do, you asked for guidance but none of us can really give that without knowing what you want to do. You may end up trying all of the things that you listed until you find the one you like. I would say pick the one that sounds the most enjoyable and go from there. If you end up not enjoying it, try something else.

Spend some time, and effort, finding the Corp that's right for you, doing what you want to do. It changes the entire game when you have quality friends creating the same content that you enjoy.
Snowman The Jimmy
The Awoken
Sigma Grindset
#3 - 2015-03-17 15:17:26 UTC
It really comes down to you having to try a variety of things and see what works for you. I personally liked FW as it gives you some good fights with small cheap ships. Null sec is great if you enjoy being an F1 monkey. WH I've never done (due to lack of skills) but is very lucrative if you've got the propper skills (I have friends who are in a c2 WH with c4 and HS static.) Pirates are alright if you don't want to go back to high sec, due to them constantly losing sec status because of low sec PvP. I don't really know you well enough to tell you where I think you should try first. Feel free to mail me though, and I'll see what I can do. :)
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-03-17 15:44:26 UTC
You can make a living anywhere. The real question is what to do with that ISK and who to do it with. A great or terrible corp can make or break any region of space. Find people you like, doing things you want to do, then worry about how to make ISK.

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Titan's Lament
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-03-17 16:37:45 UTC
Kali Itinen wrote:
FW isn't profitable


Wat?
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-03-17 16:54:10 UTC
Consider joining Spectre Fleet, Bombers Bar, RvB Ganked and Redemption Road public channels for NPSI PvP fleets of all colors ... try it out, it's the best way to start PvPing without obligations or politics.

Regarding the sec zones in EvE:

Highsec - Scary place, cause it pretends to be safe ...
Lowsec - Chillout zone of EvE
Nullsec - Asylum of EvE
Wormholes - Sanctuary of EvE

Blink

I'm my own NPC alt.
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#7 - 2015-03-17 16:57:19 UTC
What Cara said, you're here to have fun so get going doing stuff you find fun. Worst comes to worst there is always someone looking to buy a PLEX.

With that said, going into FW you're likely to have something to do almost as soon you log on. And seeing you're mostly going to fly frigates and destroyers covering the losses will be a breeze with the LP you'll be printing.

The WH life is great also, though can be more time consuming, and fights/ganks can be few and far between. Also WH life could be more demanding when it comes to SP, you're going to want good scanning skills, great cruiser skills etc. But from the sound of it you seem to have a solid SP base so shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Get on Comms, or die typing.
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#8 - 2015-03-17 17:51:38 UTC
Robyn Hoodlum wrote:
Hi,

4. Low Sec Pirates (I dont know how they make ISK)

Can anyone possibly give me guidance? I would be doing it on my main of course.


It differs per pirate, but I make a minor profit by shooting people, usually explorers in data/relic sites. This isn't enough to offset the "bad" (read: really really fun!!!) days when I misjudge an encounter and lose a ship worth 500m.

Most of my income comes from running low sec combat sites, 5/10s mostly and some unrated + escalations. Finding and scanning down these sites combines rather well with hunting down targets to shoot, and the time spent shooting boring red crosses is rather minimal once you've found the site.
Kali Itinen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-03-18 00:40:40 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Kali Itinen wrote:
FW isn't profitable


Wat?


You missed the part where I said "as far as I know", which tends to dictate that I am open to be corrected.

In my time with FW, it was just roaming every day looking for FW and killing them. This rarely lead to a profit margin, as they were small scale battles. Which was typically a 50/50 victory.

Justin Zaine
#10 - 2015-03-18 02:55:51 UTC
Kali Itinen wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Kali Itinen wrote:
FW isn't profitable


Wat?


You missed the part where I said "as far as I know", which tends to dictate that I am open to be corrected.

In my time with FW, it was just roaming every day looking for FW and killing them. This rarely lead to a profit margin, as they were small scale battles. Which was typically a 50/50 victory.



There are these things called Plexes.

Also, level 4 FW missions can be blitzed in a Bomber.

FW is one of the easiest ways for a noob to make isk, if they don't mind running a couple plexes in the course of a day.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
Lia Mandel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-03-18 12:04:27 UTC
I always enjoyed living in a WH.
As already mentioned there are really a lot of different things to do, depending on your mood of the day.
Eg.
You want to relax after work -> scan and map the WH chain for you or your corpmates or miner some gas.
You want to have some pewpew -> get 4 mates together and play with the guys in the WH next to yours
You want to make money -> run sites with some corp mates in your static
You want to PVP in a bigger group -> get in the BombersBar channel and get out of the hole for the evening.

What I always enjoyed most is that you are quite far away from all the politics and "no i cannot shoot him, because he is blue..."

I started out in a C3 after 2months of play / skill time. Of course as more skills you get as more you can do, but the isk generation you can achieve, even with a younger character is fantastic and most of the time not boring in the WH.

The only downsides I can see are two thing:
1) You always need to scan before you can get out of the hole and go shopping
2) The pos needs to be financed, so I slightly higher activity is required from each player

Ciao for now
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-03-18 13:14:29 UTC
Kali Itinen wrote:
One of the big factors to take into account when deciding what to do next in Eve, is where you want to live. When I am going to change my 'focus' in Eve, I typically find a new Corp in an area of space that is doing what I want to do. This then drives what my daily activities look like.

For instance;

  • Living in WH space means you can typically expect PVP daily, and depending on the strength of the Corp, running sleeper sites for HUGE amounts of isk. Every day in WH space is essentially a new adventure, you never know who is going to be in your WH when you wake up. There's usually lots to do(scanning new chains, setting up Hole Sec, identifying good sites, etc). You also have PI, and A LOT of it depending on the quality of the Corp.
  • Living in Nullsec is like the opposite of WH space, you ALWAYS know who is in your System(s) thanks to Local, and your options are the same, excluding missions/sleepers. Nullsec is great Isk also because of the rats, and the Exploration.
  • Low Sec Pirating is like playing the lottery(not a rigged lottery like Iwantisk.com), some days you may get lucky and make a few billion. Other days you won't find anything.
  • FW isn't profitable as far as I know, so doing missions/PLEX/Exploration is necessary.
  • Mercenaries are like Pirates, it's hit or miss, some days you'll get lucky, others you won't.


No matter where you go, you'll always have options for Isk making. I haven't even touched on the options of station trading, industry, PI, etc.

Ultimately YOU decide what you want to do, you asked for guidance but none of us can really give that without knowing what you want to do. You may end up trying all of the things that you listed until you find the one you like. I would say pick the one that sounds the most enjoyable and go from there. If you end up not enjoying it, try something else.

Spend some time, and effort, finding the Corp that's right for you, doing what you want to do. It changes the entire game when you have quality friends creating the same content that you enjoy.


Lol

Comparing mercs to pirates.

Income from a merc is those who pay him to kills others.
The better you are at that, the more income you get.

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Syrilian
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-03-18 13:21:03 UTC
Justin Zaine wrote:
Kali Itinen wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Kali Itinen wrote:
FW isn't profitable


Wat?


You missed the part where I said "as far as I know", which tends to dictate that I am open to be corrected.

In my time with FW, it was just roaming every day looking for FW and killing them. This rarely lead to a profit margin, as they were small scale battles. Which was typically a 50/50 victory.



There are these things called Plexes.

Also, level 4 FW missions can be blitzed in a Bomber.

FW is one of the easiest ways for a noob to make isk, if they don't mind running a couple plexes in the course of a day.


As a newbie, I made more isk in a t1 ship plexing with a corp in 3 days than I did low sec exploring in 3 weeks.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#14 - 2015-03-18 17:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Robyn Hoodlum wrote:
1. Faction Warfare (I can do missions or plex for ISK)
2. Null sec (I suppose mining, ratting or exploration for ISK)
3. WH Corp (pvp, pve and whathaveyou)
4. Low Sec Pirates (I dont know how they make ISK)
5. Mercenaries (I dont know how the members make ISK)


Mercenary/SOV Nullsec is by far safest here. Small gang warfare might be unavaiable though. As a merc, your main occupation will be hugging the station dock or camping a gate. Nullsec pew will be accompanied by 45jumps through the void in the worst case. Usually, Mercs have alts they use for ISK generation, the drops can also be considerable money. If you're looking for a gf, you're most likely not finding one here.

Lowsec Piracy in general goes down to gatecamping (atleast that's the main occupation of those groups). If you happen to be in a good group, there might be some fantastic fights in it for you. Might be the best space for gudfights.

Wormholes will normally carry along the most expensive of kills and losses. Wormholes might be the only place where you can make more money than running incursions (constant money, chaining anoms in null, carrier ratting and thannies for L5s aside), but you need literally all the SP on the planet and a fairly good idea of what you're doing. Three toons+ required if you really want to make money. If you run in a group, your ISK/hr commonly drops significantly below the incursion baseline.
Also, if you don't quite know what you're doing, you might end up going weeks without finding a target though, and wormhole fights will usually have very strong logistics on both sides, so fights tend to be 100-0 once one side's support breaks.

Can't speak much about FW low. Imo it's boring as hell, but some people love it since you neither risk nor win anything. If you like Arenas and fair arranged fights, this is for you.