Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hasn't CCP made it easy enough to use probes? Honestly, you idea is about lazyness and bypassing skills.
You should at least pretend to work for your free isk. It is already one of the lowest risk forms of income, and you want to make it bottable.

No, unsupported

Gates and rooms, yes. But the wrecks do remain afterwards (I'm not sure the exact time interval before they expire).


There's nothing preventing players from bookmarking those sites and returning with a dedicated salvage ship prior to completing the mission. This doesn't penalize mission-chaining - since the wrecks would remain private until mission completion. And this doesn't prevent players from scanning down active mission sights to steal, either.


It's about neither. First, I would argue that serious mission runners know which ones are worth looting or not (and these tend to lean towards L4 missions, although not exclusively). Second, many of these sites are not going to necessarily be worth salvaging even if there are wrecks left (assuming the originating player doesn't return to loot everything). Third, I would argue that mining is the lowest risk form of income (at least in high-sec), and as it's subject to botting your argument that this encourages botting holds no weight.

Finally, the one thing that you've overlooked is that this would provide additional interaction. All those salvage ships out and about (bot or not) deploying MTUs that can easily be tracked down, destroyed and looted. This could easily lead to suspect flags and limited engagements. And this doesn't even touch on the main reason for the proposal, which was to revitalize a career as a salvager.

Bait.

I like the overall concept, but not quite how you execute it. Since you cannot probe down wrecks and since some areas are inconvenient to create BMs for contract/trade given the 2 hour life span of a can:

1 - Warping off grid or leaving the mission should not automatically blue the wrecks. This is not ideal for those who solo missions and then return to salvage - especially outside of High Sec.
2 - Availability to the cans should always be in the hands of the person who created the wreck.
3 - CCP should add an option to right click any wreck you created on the grid and select "Abandon and make beacon". All cans on the grid created by the person/fleet become blue and:
4 - The action of "Abandon and make a beacon" creates a temporary beacon at that location with a life span equal to the can that was selected.

No other beacons can be created on grid once the "Abandon and make beacon" option is selected.
The Beacon is centered on the can the user performed the create "Abandon and make beacon" option on.
Once the can expires or the can is salvaged, the beacon is removed from the overview.

This does several things:
1 - makes a selectable option for mission runners/ratters/baiters to abandon wrecks for others to salvage without going through the process of creating a BM and then advertising it for 2 hours or placing it on contract which will last more than 2 hours.
2 - It will create minimal server load compared to making all the cans a beacon or by making a BM that may never be automatically removed.
3 - ease of use and the power of choice is left in the hands of the one who leaves the wreck behind.

Not the wrecks, just a beacon to the grid where the wrecks are located. I'm not sure what the rationale is for being unable to scan wrecks, but I assume there's an ulterior reason. As I previously indicated (will revise OP), I don't have a problem with ownership being retained - but I do still feel these should show up on the overview without having to be probed down. The tractor beam idea is interesting. Mind if I incorporate it?

Except as it now stands, you can't scan for wrecks. I'm not sure if there's an underlying reason for this, or if this is something that could be changed. It's just not few new players; I imagine there are more than a few salvage corporations that would make use of something like this. Ultimately, I don't see the downside in introducing more content and potential conflict situations.

Wrecks should be scannable with combat probes, but I believe the reason they are not is something something server performance.

Idea adds no meaningful gameplay as existing mechanics effectively allow for everything OP wants to do.

Easier does not equal Improved

I was under the impression you could but if that is the case then make it so you can scan down wrecks


but no to warp-able beacon

So there are these large Tractor beams out there hidden/cloaked. They collect over several AU distance and salvage all these wrecks automatically. they have a HUGE locktime (ca. 2h). As soon as they are full/overfed, the cloak misfunctions (weak design.). Then nearly anyone is able to probe them and loot these "towers" as "relic sites". They contain similar stuff to salvage.

Unfortunately these "relic sites" and their interior or spawning are not conected (in any way i know of) to pirate activity or number of unloooted wrecks in that region/constellation/system/WHsystem. Or maybe its just good the way that they spawn regardless of pve/pvp activity. This way we get more spread of exploration across new eden. But what do i know ...