Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Did I miss something? Last time I checked rails had **** tracking and mediocre damage. I've never seen rails on anything other than tracking bonused hulls like the thorax. Occasionally a moa fleet, but rarely.

They have WAAAAY more trackign than arties. A bit less than beams. They have WAY MORE damage then both of them.

But same Stabber with Beams does about the same damage.
Slightly less range, but slightly better tracking.

1) If the goal is to nerf a particular ship/gun combination, I think that it'd be better to nerf the ship than the gun. It'd avoid to touch the balance for all other ships.

2) as pointed before, the possible overpower of the railgun does not apply on the same way to all Medium rails... a similar nerf on all med-rails seem a little odd.

3) What about the other parameters ? PG, CPU, Cap ? Comparing Rails to Arty don't take in account the difference in Cap usage. Cap is the ability to sustain AB, MWD, Reps, Shields, ... and, for rails and laser, the ability to fire. Tracking difference must also be taken in account... Aswell the delay between firing and hitting.

4) Maybe the problem is in having Caldari using railguns (instead of missiles), ... Using a kind of weapon not related to the ship should have some penality...

5) Rails are the only weapon that can't switch damage type... You only have thermal/kinetics... what magnitude can you give to that drawback ? You can't compare raw damages of lasers or arty which can switch damage type to raw damages of Rails.

6) CCP is targetting mostly a few number of ships... and nerf both the ships and one kind of weapon... I think that a more sensible behaviour is to do only one change at the time. This would allow to get a better view at the effects of the changes.

The disadvantage of rails is that they do kin/therm damage, which is a massive disadvantage.

EM is so much better than every other damage type right now it's ridiculous. What doesn't have EM as the lowest resist these days? It's pretty much just T1 armor tanked frigates and cruisers. T2 armor tanked Gallente almost always fits an exp hardener to plug the explosive hole, armor-tanked battleships usually go for an exp/kin/therm hardener setup leaving EM as the weakest resist, and T2 Minmatar basically doesn't exist.

This nerf is completely stupid. Medium rails are only really used on ships with double range bonuses in order to outrange sentry drones. If you're planning to engage at under 130k, you should be in Ishtars as they completely dominate all other ships inside that range. All this nerf does is make the only real Ishtar counter have to blob even harder to break through reps. You're already shooting right into the T2 resists and doing next to no damage, now it's even worse.

It's pretty frustrating for a new player (late 2014) to be afected by a nerf, on a ¿10? years old game... I just finished "railgun spec" weeks ago; at this moment its my only seriuos lvl 5 skill for PVE.

Instead to focus the solution in a weapon, I think, in my opinion, that they should focus in the ships that are overpowered and are mentioned in the article. Ships that I dont use... I use 250 medium for PVE to get some little ISK.

Railguns use thermal and kinetic always, thats big a disavantage, between little others.

Just an opinion of a frustrated new player ;)

Blammo

So basically, if they ship doesn't have a bonus to the weapon, don't use it... That will do wonders for fitting options.

RAIls are overpowerred not the hulls



If you deconsider all ship bonuses rails are already more powerful than other weapon systems.

They do way more damage with way better tracking and WAY lower fittings than arties.

Do a close to same damage damage with a bit less tracking.. with MASSIVELY easier fittings than beams.

Yes, only mediums have a HUGE unbalance. The large ones have a smaller unbalance, still present, but bearable because alpha is way more important on the large gun scale.