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John wesher
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-03-15 12:54:31 UTC
I'm currently doing level 4 missions solo. I'm just wondering if there is a quicker way of doing them at all? These are my skills http://eveboard.com/pilot/John_wesher but i feel like im missing something. I've spoken to a few people and they've all said they do missions within 15 minutes and yet im here stuck doing them in roughly every hour!!


High slot
Cruise Missile Launcher II, What ever tech 2 missiles needed for mission eg Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II

Med slot

Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission)
Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission)
Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission)
X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron --- for drones

Low slots
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

rigs

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

This is my fit. I just feel im missions something to make these missions go quicker!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Many thanks

John
NovaCat13
Ember Interstellar Inc.
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#2 - 2015-03-15 14:44:52 UTC
They're likely blitzing the missions, and only going after the triggers. When I used to mission I'd take a while too because I'd pop everything and salvage all with 1 character, inefficient, but that's how I roll.

Just say NO to Dailies
Leiliana Atruin
SPATULA-CITY
#3 - 2015-03-15 15:04:22 UTC
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

Have a look at the site I linked for you above. It is possible to do missions that fast and it actually has little to do with your DPS. If you know the mission, and you know what to do you can focus on just completing the mission objectives. Personally I have been lucky with drops, so I kill and loot everything. I dont mind taking an extra 15 minutes per mission because I play for enjoyment, not efficiency.
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-03-15 15:09:45 UTC
There are people who need nearly no time to run a mission and make insane amounts of isk through them...the other 99% don't read the forums. But in your case blitzing mitht be the answer.

Anyway, you have a really heavy tank there and lots of cap, too...or too much (you should swap at least 1 CC for another rigor). A MJD would save you from eating too much damage because you can jump out of range of most enemies and then use your TP to apply more of your missile damage. Your drones won't do much dmg with our without a TP, a TP for drones is a good idea on a droneboat that already has 2 Omnis. If Caldari and missiles is your way you should go for the missile support skills to Level V and throw cheap T1 drones at the stuff that you can't hit, if the get killed throw out some more, thats how I do it and it works perfectly. Now that you use your TP for your missiles you should train Signature Focusing and Frequency Modulation, which enhance your target painting skills greatly.
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-03-15 15:10:09 UTC
Mission completion time is a very vague metric to rely on without additional information.

Which hulls are they using ?

Are they cherry picking missions ?

Are they blitzing ?

Does that time include loot and salvage ?

How many skillpoints on relevant skills do they have ?

That being said, if you need help, start by stating which hulls you are willing to use or train for.

EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely.
John wesher
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-03-15 15:35:30 UTC
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
Mission completion time is a very vague metric to rely on without additional information.

Which hulls are they using ?

Are they cherry picking missions ?

Are they blitzing ?

Does that time include loot and salvage ?

How many skillpoints on relevant skills do they have ?

That being said, if you need help, start by stating which hulls you are willing to use or train for.



Sorry but what do you mean by hulls im willing to use?
John wesher
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-03-15 15:36:35 UTC
Mobbel Ernaga wrote:
There are people who need nearly no time to run a mission and make insane amounts of isk through them...the other 99% don't read the forums. But in your case blitzing mitht be the answer.

Anyway, you have a really heavy tank there and lots of cap, too...or too much (you should swap at least 1 CC for another rigor). A MJD would save you from eating too much damage because you can jump out of range of most enemies and then use your TP to apply more of your missile damage. Your drones won't do much dmg with our without a TP, a TP for drones is a good idea on a droneboat that already has 2 Omnis. If Caldari and missiles is your way you should go for the missile support skills to Level V and throw cheap T1 drones at the stuff that you can't hit, if the get killed throw out some more, thats how I do it and it works perfectly. Now that you use your TP for your missiles you should train Signature Focusing and Frequency Modulation, which enhance your target painting skills greatly.


Ill try swapping the CC for rigor see if it helps!

Also just wondering whats the quickest ship to do level 4 missions in? atm im in my raven ... forgot to say that ... but i feel there could be something better???
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-03-15 15:48:25 UTC
John wesher wrote:
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
Mission completion time is a very vague metric to rely on without additional information.

Which hulls are they using ?

Are they cherry picking missions ?

Are they blitzing ?

Does that time include loot and salvage ?

How many skillpoints on relevant skills do they have ?

That being said, if you need help, start by stating which hulls you are willing to use or train for.



Sorry but what do you mean by hulls im willing to use?


Which ships are you willing to use or train for ?

EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely.
Kines Pavelovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-03-15 15:52:14 UTC
Are you trying to get more isk per hour or just complete missions faster?

For isk/hr there's a bunch of stuff.

Make a tax free corp, if you get war decced just leave and make another. +10% to all income.

If you're not doing SoE missions, start. +50% on the LP component.

Cherry pick which missions you salvage. This can vary your income a lot. From my records; I make some where between 900k and 2 mill per minute salvaging. So 60-120 mill an hour.

Use a rattlesnake or a golem. Better DPS/application means faster mission completion.

Get into shape to finish the burner missions. They're all very good isk/hr if you can complete them. The team burners are all solo-able in a kestral. While the standard burners require 300-500mil frigates and all(-ish) 5's. It takes me, after some initial teething, about 20-25 minutes to complete a team burner, during which I pull in something like 1.5mil a minute.

The only thing that might raise completion times by a bit is using different pirate bs's, and t3's depending on which mission I pull. Some missions require you to just sit there and kill everything, so I use a rattlesnake. For other missions you have to kill a bunch of cruisers and schlep to gates, so I use a mach. Yada, yada, yada. Frankly I just don't have the skills for this sort of experimentation.
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-03-15 15:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mobbel Ernaga
John wesher wrote:
Also just wondering whats the quickest ship to do level 4 missions in? atm im in my raven ... forgot to say that ... but i feel there could be something better???


Usually the quickest ship is (still) the Machariel, there are some missions where you will be faster with another but overall - especially if you want to blitz - the Machariel wins. It's traits and the case that it moves around like a cruiser and hits and tanks (either shield or armor) like a bs make it somewhat unique. On top of that it's easy to get into it. I don't like it although I have one and often recommend it to new pilots that want to progress a little faste in PvE then the skillsystem usually allows...it's a damn good ship but not for everyone. From your Raven you would normally progress to the Raven Navy Issue (or maybe a Scorpion Navy Issue which is a very good boat, too but lacks a little dps) and then switch to a Marauder, the Golem in your case or choose to go the missile and sentry way with the Rattlesnake.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#11 - 2015-03-15 16:42:44 UTC
I complete all the missions I run except in a very few cases. When it was taking me as long as you it was because I couldn't apply enough DPS.

What kind of DPS does EFT show? I don't have much experience with missiles -- are you using the best launcher for the job?

What are your tactics? If you are pulling range and shooting from a long way that might be slowing you down.

Does your tank or cap ever feel at risk? If not, you could get more aggressive with your tactics or change your fit towards more offense.

Are you looting and salvaging? The people going for speed with only 1 ship don't bother except for select battleship wrecks.

The people going for speed also usually have multiple ships they can use for particular missions. They will decline missions which they know will be slow or low isk return.


This blog post is very helpful in judging missions until you know them from experience.



Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2015-03-15 23:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Kines Pavelovna wrote:
Use a rattlesnake or a golem. Better DPS/application means faster mission completion.

+1 with this. I prefer the Golem because even though it has less actual DPS, with target painters the applied DPS is very good. Bastion also renders you immune to ECM, dampening (etc.) as well as increasing your missile velocity 20%.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-03-15 23:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
John wesher wrote:
I'm currently doing level 4 missions solo. I'm just wondering if there is a quicker way of doing them at all? These are my skills http://eveboard.com/pilot/John_wesher but i feel like im missing something. I've spoken to a few people and they've all said they do missions within 15 minutes and yet im here stuck doing them in roughly every hour!!


High slot
Cruise Missile Launcher II, What ever tech 2 missiles needed for mission eg Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II

Med slot

Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission)
Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission)
Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission)
X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron --- for drones

Low slots
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

rigs

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

This is my fit. I just feel im missions something to make these missions go quicker!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Many thanks

John

Your targeting range is too short, so you have to travel a bit.

Most people use some prop mode to get to gates. Even LMJD can be used if you do the whole triangulation thing.


Oh yeah. Whoever said more rigor rigs is on the money.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Dungheap
DHCOx
#14 - 2015-03-19 11:28:24 UTC
Rapid Launch / Rank 2 / Level: 4 / SP: 90,510 of 512,000
Target Navigation Prediction / Rank 2 / Level: 4 / SP: 90,510 of 512,000

max those first , then look at your other missile support skills .

on your fit , i would switch out a shield boost amp for a second target painter . switch to T2 hardeners . remove a ccc rig , install another rigor . with 2 painters and 2 rigor , you'll get much better application with the fury ammo .



Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-03-19 13:34:37 UTC
did they specify which missions?
there are missions like Duo of Death, which I always refuse, and then there are missions like Extravaganzas which can take quite a bit of time.
and of course what others said about blitzing and cherry picking.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#16 - 2015-03-19 13:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
He'd have to train for Rattler. He has no drone sentry skills. He is closer to a Golem than a Rattlesnake. I'd just use a sniper fit Raven, like so:

[Raven, pve]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
[Empty High slot]

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Bring precision missiles and some Hobgoblins to deal with frig npcs.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-03-19 16:12:40 UTC
depends my mission times with a navy raven was around 15 to 20 minutes for full clean out

[Raven Navy Issue, mission]
F-89 Synchronized Signal Amplifier
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Micro Jump Drive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Domination Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Domination EM Ward Amplifier
X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet II x5
Cap Booster 800 x15
Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x648
Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2160
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-03-19 20:00:30 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:


Most people use some prop mode to get to gates. Even LMJD can be used if you do the whole triangulation thing.




I do triangulation. Maurader gives bonus to the LMJD for faster cool down. Great stuff.

I also blitz but I mostly semi blitz I dont go just for triggers , that can be a bit dangerous.



[Kronos, Kronos]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Khanid Navy Large Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
100MN Afterburner II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Small Tractor Beam II
Auto Targeting System II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Bastion Module I

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

Hornet II x10
Salvage Drone I x5
Warden I x2
Void L x8000
Null L x8000
Tracking Speed Script x2

Null gets 830 dps without the drones and Void gets 1161 dps, I mostly use the null because better range 16km -71km Bastion, Void gets 9km-29km bastion. that is with both tracking computers with optimal range scripts.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#19 - 2015-03-20 03:38:45 UTC
Hyperspacial rigs and Accelerators can also make a difference.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Treunt
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-03-21 03:49:57 UTC
I use a tengu to do missions. I've had a golem, but the tengu was more affordable and rips through missions a lot faster.
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