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Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#21 - 2015-03-13 21:28:07 UTC
I think it took me only a couple of weeks to realise that, if I need minerals for whatever purpose I could:

1) Mine it
2) Spend the same time as i spent mining doing any other activity, and use the ISK gained to buy the ore from sell orders in a horribly overpriced system.

Option 2 gets me more minerals and more ISK.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-03-14 00:36:41 UTC
Trevor Dalech wrote:
I think it took me only a couple of weeks to realise that, if I need minerals for whatever purpose I could:

1) Mine it
2) Spend the same time as i spent mining doing any other activity, and use the ISK gained to buy the ore from sell orders in a horribly overpriced system.

Option 2 gets me more minerals and more ISK.


Option 1 is infinitely easier to do whilst drunk and talking to corpies.
BlackD3ath Spanski
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-03-14 02:59:15 UTC
Well what a pleasant experience, and yeah someone tried to scam me with a mail that said I needed a permit to fly a retriever and he could get me started right away.. good god, the only people to fall for this would be inexperienced gamers, or really young players, which is a shame because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way

Wont change though i'm sure, haha.. anywho, i'm glad people can find me from forums, and know exactly where I am, that is fascinating but also unrealistic at the same time for a game that strives to be more on the realistic side

And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time

Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY. Evil
Sophie Mahler
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-03-14 07:55:02 UTC
natural selection

if someone's stupid enough to fall for stuff like that, eve will be HARD (although, still not impossible to enjoy eventually, it all depends on how one handles failure)

we shouldn't try to defend anyone from themselves because failure is how we grow. If we prevent failures, we prevent growth.

just look around <3
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#25 - 2015-03-14 09:24:22 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Trevor Dalech wrote:
I think it took me only a couple of weeks to realise that, if I need minerals for whatever purpose I could:

1) Mine it
2) Spend the same time as i spent mining doing any other activity, and use the ISK gained to buy the ore from sell orders in a horribly overpriced system.

Option 2 gets me more minerals and more ISK.


Option 1 is infinitely easier to do whilst drunk and talking to corpies.



If I was drunk, mining, and my corpmates knew it, they'd shoot me themselves.


OP: I'm one of those 'bad gankers'.

I'm a firm believer in making sure newbies learn lessons but are insulated from the worst setbacks their reckless actions could cause. As a result, I'm not going to hunt you down in game over this thread. But, if it wasn't in the newbie section of the forums, I might have.

The reason mining is bad ISK is because you are competing with both actual bots, and players running large numbers of accounts via EULA-compliant methods. Because mining requires so little human input they can run 20, 30 or even more accounts at once. You can't compete with that.

On the flip side, methods of making ISK that require attention and/or specialized knowledge will make you much more ISK. Look for one of those that you enjoy.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-03-14 12:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:
Well what a pleasant experience, and yeah someone tried to scam me with a mail that said I needed a permit to fly a retriever and he could get me started right away.. good god, the only people to fall for this would be inexperienced gamers, or really young players, which is a shame because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way

Wont change though i'm sure, haha.. anywho, i'm glad people can find me from forums, and know exactly where I am, that is fascinating but also unrealistic at the same time for a game that strives to be more on the realistic side

And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time

Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY. Evil


A. Natural selection. EVE isn't made for "the general 12 yo gamer", so why would it have to change so they can play it. It is not their intended audience.

B. EVE and realism....REALLY Shocked

C. You CAN spread your drones, it's actually very easy to do that. Only lazy people who don't research how stuff work have all 5 drones on 1 wreck.

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-03-14 13:09:24 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:
Well what a pleasant experience, and yeah someone tried to scam me with a mail that said I needed a permit to fly a retriever and he could get me started right away.. good god, the only people to fall for this would be inexperienced gamers, or really young players, which is a shame because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way

Wont change though i'm sure, haha.. anywho, i'm glad people can find me from forums, and know exactly where I am, that is fascinating but also unrealistic at the same time for a game that strives to be more on the realistic side

And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time

Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY. Evil


A. Natural selection. EVE isn't made for "the general 12 yo gamer", so why would it have to change so they can play it. It is not their intended audience.

B. EVE and realism....REALLY Shocked

C. You CAN spread your drones, it's actually very easy to do that. Only lazy people who don't research how stuff work have all 5 drones on 1 wreck.


but is spreading you drones out more efficient? i mean having 1 drone per wreck or having 5 per wreck is just going to be the same amount of time involved in salvaging, 1 wreck will take 1 drone longer than 5 drones on 1 wreck but the 1 drone per 5 wrecks will salvage 5 wrecks in the same time as 5 drones will salvage 5 wrecks?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2015-03-14 14:42:34 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
I cant help it...

But I have the feeling this is a player from "That other game that shall not be named".


Welcome to EVE, where EVERY action matters and you have to live with all the consequences...

As you might already have found out.

I agree as well as with the 12 YO comment not in a harsh judgmental way but in a helpful way.

BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:
because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way


The following post should be required reading for all players coming from (insert unmentionable game name here). Eve is a very different game and that falcon post pretty much sums it up. Eve has been around longer than (insert unmentionable game name here) and unlike most other MMOs is not trying to become (insert unmentionable game name here). It is a game for an older audience and many younger players come here and don't get it.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4972885#post4972885

BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:

And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time

Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY. Evil

This shows to me that you just do not understand eve. As far as realistic from a game mechanic stand point eve is probably the most realistic game out there. From an RPG standpoint ya maybe not so realistic.

We have a market economy that is player built and in game your reputation follows you and your actions have consequences. Salvage drones have not been around long and when CCP does even little tiny things like what you are talking about here there are huge ramifications that reverberate throughout all of New Eden. When you make something like salvaging significantly easier you do damage to a profession that has already been nerfed repeatedly which is the professional mission clean up services.

This is not a game where you are the hero and everything is handed to you. This is a game where you have to earn everything your self. I mean I guess they could make it so that you could just run back from the graveyard and jump back in your spaceship to make you happy, or you could just go back to (insert unmentionable game name here).

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-03-14 14:44:19 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Lan Wang wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:
Well what a pleasant experience, and yeah someone tried to scam me with a mail that said I needed a permit to fly a retriever and he could get me started right away.. good god, the only people to fall for this would be inexperienced gamers, or really young players, which is a shame because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way

Wont change though i'm sure, haha.. anywho, i'm glad people can find me from forums, and know exactly where I am, that is fascinating but also unrealistic at the same time for a game that strives to be more on the realistic side

And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time

Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY. Evil


A. Natural selection. EVE isn't made for "the general 12 yo gamer", so why would it have to change so they can play it. It is not their intended audience.

B. EVE and realism....REALLY Shocked

C. You CAN spread your drones, it's actually very easy to do that. Only lazy people who don't research how stuff work have all 5 drones on 1 wreck.


but is spreading you drones out more efficient? i mean having 1 drone per wreck or having 5 per wreck is just going to be the same amount of time involved in salvaging, 1 wreck will take 1 drone longer than 5 drones on 1 wreck but the 1 drone per 5 wrecks will salvage 5 wrecks in the same time as 5 drones will salvage 5 wrecks?


Well, salvage success is a RNG system, so most likely, in the long run, it will balance out.

I've had success with the alt and 1 drone cracked a couple of wrecks on first or second cycle. But also had it running for a while unsuccesful.

Point still stands that what the OP requests, is already in place. If it's better / faster...I don't know as I usually don't salvage at all.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-03-14 14:46:53 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
I cant help it...

But I have the feeling this is a player from "That other game that shall not be named".


Welcome to EVE, where EVERY action matters and you have to live with all the consequences...

As you might already have found out.

I agree as well as with the 12 YO comment not in a harsh judgmental way but in a helpful way.



Meant as a figure of speech.

I know a couple of very early teenage players in EVE that are great to speak with.
I know a bunch of "adults" that got stuck in their pre-teen years (including tantrums when things don't go their way).

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Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#31 - 2015-03-14 20:39:50 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:


Mining and 'huge amount of ISK' don't belong in the same sentence. Mining is very, very, very low income, especially with low skills. Seriously, just stop now and take the skills out of your skill queue (unless you actually do enjoy mining, which is not the impression I get)

Highsec exploration is probably better, even though it's random. Lowsec exploration is almost certainly better. Almost anything in fact is better than mining (especially if you keep getting retrievers ganked)

As for a goal, lots of ISK isn't really a long-term goal. What do you plan to do with that ISK?


I make 30 Million ISK per hour only mining in high sec with my Hulk and Orca.


http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore

maybe you should have a look on the current ore prices.

OH, I never got ganked in my life.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-03-14 21:01:39 UTC
Asmodia wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:


Mining and 'huge amount of ISK' don't belong in the same sentence. Mining is very, very, very low income, especially with low skills. Seriously, just stop now and take the skills out of your skill queue (unless you actually do enjoy mining, which is not the impression I get)

Highsec exploration is probably better, even though it's random. Lowsec exploration is almost certainly better. Almost anything in fact is better than mining (especially if you keep getting retrievers ganked)

As for a goal, lots of ISK isn't really a long-term goal. What do you plan to do with that ISK?


I make 30 Million ISK per hour only mining in high sec with my Hulk and Orca.


http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore

maybe you should have a look on the current ore prices.

OH, I never got ganked in my life.


Sorry, but 30 mil / hour is NOT much.

Specially if you consider that you are using 2 accounts for that (15 mil / hour / account), which any mission runner can easily multiply by much with just 1 account.

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Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#33 - 2015-03-14 21:12:35 UTC
J'Poll wrote:



Sorry, but 30 mil / hour is NOT much.

Specially if you consider that you are using 2 accounts for that (15 mil / hour / account), which any mission runner can easily multiply by much with just 1 account.


And what high sec mission this are ? Level 5 ? - Mining is something you can watch movies. - I never heard that level 4 missions make 30 millions per hour. Only with 1 b equiment maybe. - Do not worry. My Orca pilot runs missions for fun. BUt I need to fix my Amarr standings first. -5,9Big smile
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-03-14 21:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Asmodia wrote:
J'Poll wrote:



Sorry, but 30 mil / hour is NOT much.

Specially if you consider that you are using 2 accounts for that (15 mil / hour / account), which any mission runner can easily multiply by much with just 1 account.


And what high sec mission this are ? Level 5 ? - Mining is something you can watch movies. - I never heard that level 4 missions make 30 millions per hour. Only with 1 b equiment maybe. - Do not worry. My Orca pilot runs missions for fun. BUt I need to fix my Amarr standings first. -5,9Big smile


If you blitz L4s you can be up and above that 30 mil / hour easily (also taken into account the LP conversion).
EDIT: And that is all done with a setup which is not even near 1 bil worth (at time of purchase)

And WHY would I want you want to a watch a movie while playing a game.

You either want to play a game...or watch a movie, not both. THAT is the most ridiculous reasoning I've ever seen, but heh...high-sec bears...what would I have expected.

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Alexa Miasmata
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-03-15 02:52:35 UTC
J'Poll wrote:


And WHY would I want you want to a watch a movie while playing a game.

You either want to play a game...or watch a movie, not both. THAT is the most ridiculous reasoning I've ever seen, but heh...high-sec bears...what would I have expected.


Both mining and mission running is so boring I wouldn't really qualify it as playing.
I think what he meant to say with "you can watch a movie meanwhile" was something a long the lines of, if youre watching a movie, while not afk mine at the same time and get some ISK?
Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#36 - 2015-03-15 03:57:13 UTC
Alexa Miasmata wrote:
J'Poll wrote:


And WHY would I want you want to a watch a movie while playing a game.

You either want to play a game...or watch a movie, not both. THAT is the most ridiculous reasoning I've ever seen, but heh...high-sec bears...what would I have expected.


Both mining and mission running is so boring I wouldn't really qualify it as playing.
I think what he meant to say with "you can watch a movie meanwhile" was something a long the lines of, if youre watching a movie, while not afk mine at the same time and get some ISK?


Yeah. I play EVE since 2003 an had a long break. I came back and was happy to see that Veldspar is more worth then Arkonor. I mine and read forum, YT Guides and stuff. - I build freigthers for fun atm.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#37 - 2015-03-15 05:54:14 UTC
Since the topic was brought up ...

For the math geeks:

Per Cycle Chance to Salvage With N Drones = 1 - (1 - Chance to Salvage With One Drone) ^ N

It actually takes less time to have all drones on the same target.
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#38 - 2015-03-16 09:11:47 UTC
J'Poll wrote:


A. Natural selection. EVE isn't made for "the general 12 yo gamer", so why would it have to change so they can play it. It is not their intended audience.


Guess I better pack up and move back to KSP. Cry
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#39 - 2015-03-16 18:22:05 UTC
Asmodia wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Sorry, but 30 mil / hour is NOT much.

Specially if you consider that you are using 2 accounts for that (15 mil / hour / account), which any mission runner can easily multiply by much with just 1 account.


And what high sec mission this are ? Level 5 ? - Mining is something you can watch movies. - I never heard that level 4 missions make 30 millions per hour. Only with 1 b equiment maybe. - Do not worry. My Orca pilot runs missions for fun. BUt I need to fix my Amarr standings first. -5,9Big smile


Look into incursions. You can earn about 100 mil/hour and you can do it almost AFK (so there's your movie watching).

I don't think 15 mil/hour per character is far out of reach for L4 mission running. You should count the LP as well as the ISK rewards, bounties, and loot/salvage where applicable.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#40 - 2015-03-16 20:33:50 UTC
As far as making ISK goes, check out the Making ISK guide on Evelopedia.

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