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Russian law on personal data

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Bob Maths
EVE University
Ivy League
#61 - 2015-03-11 23:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob Maths
Ilany wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Great. Let's nationalize the world wide web. This is so backwards and retrograde, I need a superlative for stupidest.


How about 'Balkanization' (of the internet)? For that is what this is.

Without naming names: Certain countries want to break the net into fiefdoms that they can control, and it's something they are pushing for strongly at various international forums. Certain other countries are fighting against this, but the majority of countries remain in the middle ground. Their officials are persuaded by the arguments of the first group (for a number of different reasons), but they haven't yet swung either way.

If you live in one of those middle-ground countries lobby your government to keep the internet as it was intended... otherwise this is what will happen to you.


Tell us why the internet isn't in these so-called fiefdoms? As I seem to understand (probably not very well), the internet consists of servers. Servers being hardware located on sovereign territory.

Though this is an interesting point raised by the topic, how will CCP adapt its business to upcoming interent laws?
Ilany
Nightingale Enterprises
#62 - 2015-03-11 23:36:12 UTC
Bob Maths wrote:
Tell us why the internet isn't in these so-called fiefdoms? As I seem to understand (probably not very well), the internet consists of servers. Servers being hardware located on sovereign territory.


Not sure if trolling, but it's not about where the servers are physically located, it's about control over the communication between them. This about how ICANN functions. Look up the Montevideo Statement or the multi-stakeholder model on Wikipedia.

Bob Maths wrote:
Though this is an interesting point raised by the topic, how will CCP adapt its business to upcoming interent laws?


To some extent they already have (e.g. with Serenity), but EVE simply wouldn't be EVE if there had to be a separate shard for every country in the world.
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
#63 - 2015-03-12 10:44:43 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
And now that we're talking about Russian, how about a option to block automatically anyone who posts in local with cirillic characters? It's a bloody chore to keep the channel clean...

vote Indahmawar Fazmarai for CSM

Everything's a game if you make it one - Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci

CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase - Frostys Virpio

Serene Repose
#64 - 2015-03-12 11:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Please refrain from discussing forum moderation. ISD Ezwal.

If you ********** then it seems ********** so one can only think ********** unless of course ********** then, naturally it would seem ******* except for instances where ******* , ******** or ***********.

It's always nice to discuss these things in an intelligent, adult fashion, and I wish to thank Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Payne for ********* , ********* and ************ - in·al·ien·a·ble as these may be.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#65 - 2015-03-12 11:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
I certainly hope ****** notices how efficiently CCP has handled this issue.
We wouldn't want them to pull a ***** on them.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Snakebyte Jack
AcT Legion
#66 - 2015-03-12 11:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Snakebyte Jack
The nature of the internet is such that all laws pertaining to information used on it should really only be covered by International Law. This is ofc only my opinion but im sure most of you will agree that this is the most logical solution.

I am generally against the NWO and Globalisation as i beleive are the Russians. However in this situation we are dealing with a technology that is inherantly Global if not solar-wide in the next few hundered years. Its important that the legal systems pertaining to it are projected and executed from the same pitch and scope.

Any attempt to execute localised laws on information that is technically freely availible with parity and redundance accross the globe it would certainly fail to be effective. Therefore an international law is required.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#67 - 2015-03-12 12:01:35 UTC
The sky is not falling. Roll chill
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2015-03-12 13:26:40 UTC
Wait and see.

The new ruling is to take effect September of this year vs next year but the Russian Internet Ombudsman is asking for a change to the law.

That will be up to their government but he's in a newly created position to see to Russia's interaction with internet companies and he's got some sound looking arguments.

http://rapsinews.com/legislation_news/20150311/273304375.html
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#69 - 2015-03-12 16:15:11 UTC
WTB russian's space in null.
Paul AtreidesMuad
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2015-03-13 01:49:17 UTC
Why Russians asking ccp about their countries laws instead of asking their goverment?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#71 - 2015-03-13 02:11:06 UTC
Agondray wrote:
ISD always ruining forums to where you cant have a real discussion with out it being in the game.
Im sure the Russians quite know of their system, while they are a proud nation, even the US has its down sides.


*cough* net neutrality *cough*

And that's just the tip of the NSA er...iceberg.

Mr Epeen Cool
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2015-03-13 11:37:08 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
And now that we're talking about Russian, how about a option to block automatically anyone who posts in local with cirillic characters? It's a bloody chore to keep the channel clean...

I also bounty every one of them....
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
#73 - 2015-03-13 17:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Captain Semper wrote:
Hello CCP,
i have a question.
31.12.2014 a law on PD was passed and starts work at 1 september 2015. In a short this law means that all companies, sites and etc must keep russian personal data at servers that locates in Russia.
Credit card number is a pd so i wont be able to pay with card.
Even more - email is a pd so eveonline.com will be blocked with my provider if you (CCP) will not keep pd in Russia.

So what will you do with that? Do you have servers in motherland? :/

Link for more info about this law
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/russia/2014/12/141217_russia_personal_data

I guess what that means is that either you won't be able to play or that Russia will end up like China, forever alone in their eve play. Was this Putin's idea?

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#74 - 2015-03-14 01:19:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
ISD Decoy wrote:
Anti-Russian propaganda will not be tolerated.



What about Russian propoganda?

BUUURRRNNNN!!!!







please don't hurt me....

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#75 - 2015-03-14 05:01:49 UTC
I hope CCP is able to do something neat that either:

a) changes nothing, and no one's the wiser.
b) changes everything! and makes people cry!





















I really hope it's b though.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#76 - 2015-03-14 05:07:30 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Captain Semper wrote:
Hello CCP,
i have a question.
31.12.2014 a law on PD was passed and starts work at 1 september 2015. In a short this law means that all companies, sites and etc must keep russian personal data at servers that locates in Russia.
Credit card number is a pd so i wont be able to pay with card.
Even more - email is a pd so eveonline.com will be blocked with my provider if you (CCP) will not keep pd in Russia.

So what will you do with that? Do you have servers in motherland? :/

Link for more info about this law
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/russia/2014/12/141217_russia_personal_data

I guess what that means is that either you won't be able to play or that Russia will end up like China, forever alone in their eve play. Was this Putin's idea?



Its the Usual Suspects of Aggression.........sticking their nose where it don't belong.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#77 - 2015-03-14 09:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
why speculate ? russia is doing nothing more than protecting their data. the usa does it, europe does it. no drama or worry needed.
the internet is still a big experiment, it will look and feel nothing like it does now in say 20 years. hell i'd say even less.
why is this happening? because data is worth a lot of money.
this is nothing more than,,, we need X data stored here,,, hmmm ok we'll host a server in russia,, will that work,,, yes.
case closed. tin foil hats off,,, back to the game.Roll
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#78 - 2015-03-14 12:31:32 UTC
Well, Putin hasn't been seen in a while, so I'd guess CCP is doing something to solve this issue.
Dradis Aulmais
Serious Non-stop Espionage and Kidnapping
#79 - 2015-03-14 12:59:36 UTC
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_xQ-ns5whw

I will just leave this here

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three

Francis Inch
Kador Defence Initiative
#80 - 2015-03-14 22:07:32 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
why speculate ? russia is doing nothing more than protecting their data. the usa does it, europe does it. no drama or worry needed.
the internet is still a big experiment, it will look and feel nothing like it does now in say 20 years. hell i'd say even less.
why is this happening? because data is worth a lot of money.
this is nothing more than,,, we need X data stored here,,, hmmm ok we'll host a server in russia,, will that work,,, yes.
case closed. tin foil hats off,,, back to the game.Roll


Agreed.

Been working on projects across Europe this past year and we've had similar issues in other countries. For example, it takes written permission from the tax authorities for our German subsidiary to use finance systems hosted in the UK, and that's between two EU countries and with no personal data involved.

Businesses are used to dealing with these kinds of challenges and I'm sure it will be resolved in due time. It doesn't look as severe a requirement as hosting Serenity for Chinese requirements.