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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#101 - 2011-12-23 07:14:43 UTC
I played FF14.

Games intended for a console don't work on the KB and mouse. I'd actually like to see CCP allow this so you could see how bad you suck using a KB and mouse but I can't ask them to waste money just to prove a point.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#102 - 2011-12-23 07:16:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Kuronaga wrote:
microtransactions and eve players.

microtransactions which are always available, and eve players who you better believe aren't going to give up anything unless you win.

So for the average joe, his stuff will be getting blown up constantly, and he will be reduced to basic starter junk that won't really win him any contracts.

I'm failing to see where you're going with this.


Obviously, because you really don't know much about the game you have crafted this fine troll thread about.

Some DUST players will be independent merc's. Who, like merc's everywhere, will likely demand payment in advance... possibly with a bonus for winning, and considerations made for expenses.

Many DUST players will be part of OUR corporations and alliances, funded with ISK and equipment when necessary, dependent of course on the corp/alliance in question.

Discussions have taken place concerning DUST player's being able to take planetary resources over for their own use and income.

Discussions have also taken place as to how DUST player BPO's and related industries will be handled when that aspect is released.

DUST players will be free to trade on our market to make money, just as many EVE players do.

And lastly, yes, some items will only be available for cash initially... and then be able to be freely sold on the market for ISK. It is currently unknown if the command craft is one of those items. Since it is integral to matches taking place it is unlikely.

Please continue... you've made it to page 6 somehow, you might as well milk it for another few. Smile

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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#103 - 2011-12-23 07:18:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Ioci wrote:
I played FF14.


I'm sorry.

Quote:
Games intended for a console don't work on the KB and mouse. I'd actually like to see CCP allow this so you could see how bad you suck using a KB and mouse but I can't ask them to waste money just to prove a point.


Are you attempting to mock my general ability with keyboard and mouse, or just theorizing they can't work for consoles?

If it's the former, i'll take you for $200 in a private CS server, 1v1.

Quote:
And lastly, yes, some items will only be available for cash initially... and then be able to be freely sold on the market for ISK.


Which can then be destroyed like anything else.

Tell me does everyone in eve have an alliance that pays for every single ship loss they ever have? No, they don't. Most of us take care of ourselves. So will a lot of Dust players, and I somehow doubt most alliances are going to fund 13 year olds regularly. Something about the thought of kids crashing dropships into the side of a mountain just because it "looked fun"...Just a hunch on that.

Technically all I have to fly in eve to compete is like, a reaper or an ibis or something. Doesn't mean I'm gonna get far if I do.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#104 - 2011-12-23 07:30:22 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Ioci wrote:
I played FF14.


I'm sorry.

Quote:
Games intended for a console don't work on the KB and mouse. I'd actually like to see CCP allow this so you could see how bad you suck using a KB and mouse but I can't ask them to waste money just to prove a point.


Are you attempting to mock my general ability with keyboard and mouse, or just theorizing they can't work for consoles?

If it's the former, i'll take you for $200 in a private CS server, 1v1.

Quote:
And lastly, yes, some items will only be available for cash initially... and then be able to be freely sold on the market for ISK.


Which can then be destroyed like anything else.

Tell me does everyone in eve have an alliance that pays for every single ship loss they ever have? No, they don't. Most of us take care of ourselves. So will a lot of Dust players, and I somehow doubt most alliances are going to fund 13 year olds regularly. Something about the thought of kids crashing dropships into the side of a mountain just because it "looked fun"...Just a hunch on that.


Out of all of the income streams I mentioned, "this" is your answer?

Okay, it looks like you are running out of steam... so I'm out of this one for now.

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Darren Corley
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2011-12-23 07:33:07 UTC
Ioci wrote:
I played FF14.

Games intended for a console don't work on the KB and mouse. I'd actually like to see CCP allow this so you could see how bad you suck using a KB and mouse but I can't ask them to waste money just to prove a point.


I still play FFXIV. A console fps with the aim helpers and the like turned off would be just fine with a KB/M.
Gorefacer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#106 - 2011-12-23 07:33:30 UTC
Fairly simple. Will forcing players to figure out how to connect a KB/M for DUST to be competitive drive more people away from the game than it will attract players who would normally not have played DUST without KB/M control, or not.

Personally I think more would be driven away than it would attract, I believe most PS3 players would expect to buy it and play it with the systems normal controller. If they get repeatedly slaughtered due to KB/M, I think most would stop playing and move on to another PS3 game.

There is no way to prove that's what would happen, and I suppose it's possible you are right. I just don't think your position is the common sense conclusion most would make when looking at the issue.

Since I don't own a PS3 it personally makes no difference to me, other than my wish for CCP to do well and generate profits to continue funding the development of their products.

This did generate a surprisingly large amount of (pointless) discussion though, congratulations on that I suppose.
First Lieutenant Dan
Doomheim
#107 - 2011-12-23 07:36:08 UTC
This worked in another thread so I'll try it here.

ZOMG

And

Chuck Norris.

B1tches
Darren Corley
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#108 - 2011-12-23 07:37:12 UTC
Gorefacer wrote:
Fairly simple. Will forcing players to figure out how to connect a KB/M for DUST to be competitive drive more people away from the game than it will attract players who would normally not have played DUST without KB/M control, or not.

Personally I think more would be driven away than it would attract, I believe most PS3 players would expect to buy it and play it with the systems normal controller. If they get repeatedly slaughtered due to KB/M, I think most would stop playing and move on to another PS3 game.

There is no way to prove that's what would happen, and I suppose it's possible you are right. I just don't think your position is the common sense conclusion most would make when looking at the issue.

Since I don't own a PS3 it personally makes no difference to me, other than my wish for CCP to do well and generate profits to continue funding the development of their products.

This did generate a surprisingly large amount of (pointless) discussion though, congratulations on that I suppose.


One conclusion you can come to is that more people are comfortable playing an FPS on a console than on a PC. That includes using a controller since all the other games use the same controller requiring them to not really need to learn anything new. The KB/M only people are a minority. The ignorant elitist ones are an even smaller minority.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#109 - 2011-12-23 07:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Ranger 1 wrote:


Out of all of the income streams I mentioned, "this" is your answer?

Okay, it looks like you are running out of steam... so I'm out of this one for now.



Your other points held no relevance to the topic at hand, so i ignored them. In order for a dust player to be successful they will need good equipment which costs isk and no one is going to pay anything in advance to a team of low level scrubs that aren't even fit out correctly.


Darren Corley wrote:
Ioci wrote:
I played FF14.

Games intended for a console don't work on the KB and mouse. I'd actually like to see CCP allow this so you could see how bad you suck using a KB and mouse but I can't ask them to waste money just to prove a point.


I still play FFXIV. A console fps with the aim helpers and the like turned off would be just fine with a KB/M.


We have a winner.
First Lieutenant Dan
Doomheim
#110 - 2011-12-23 07:44:45 UTC
HE'S TOO POWERFUL! WE MUST STOP HIM HERE BEFORE HE BECOMES THE ONE!
Darren Corley
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#111 - 2011-12-23 07:46:26 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Darren Corley wrote:
Ioci wrote:
I played FF14.

Games intended for a console don't work on the KB and mouse. I'd actually like to see CCP allow this so you could see how bad you suck using a KB and mouse but I can't ask them to waste money just to prove a point.


I still play FFXIV. A console fps with the aim helpers and the like turned off would be just fine with a KB/M.


We have a winner.


Still doesn't give any reason that CCP should give in to your wishes and possibly risk losing their target audience, which is a larger risk than you seem to think.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#112 - 2011-12-23 07:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kuronaga wrote:
You seem to not understand how Dust works.
You seem to confuse your assumptions with reality.
You are making factual claims about things not even CCP seem to know about yet.

Yes, you will probably have to grind ISK in Dust to buy stuff, and you will probably have to buy AUR to buy other things. But don't for a second presume to know what tou buy for which and how long it lasts. We don't even know what the game will cost (if anythinh) to buy. So kindly go shove your hallucinations and, again, lay off the 'shrooms.

So…
Quote:
Battlefield 3 also doesn't require you pay 5 dollars to CCP every time you lose little flying command center.
…just like Dust then.

…not to mention that so far, it seems like console players are far more open to the idea of MT, which makes the irrelevant fringe Y-type customers even less worth-while pursuing than the X-type players they're actually aiming for. So accommodating them is an even bigger waste of resources.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#113 - 2011-12-23 07:50:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Darren Corley wrote:


Still doesn't give any reason that CCP should give in to your wishes and possibly risk losing their target audience, which is a larger risk than you seem to think.



I thought we already established the target audience sucks and won't stick around.

Oh, why don't they ever listen until it's too late...


Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
You seem to not understand how Dust works.
You seem to confuse your assumptions with reality.
You are making factual claims about things not even CCP seem to know about yet.

Yes, you will probably have to grind ISK in Dust to buy stuff, and you will probably haveto buy AUR to buy other things. But don't for a second presume to know what tou buy for which and how long it lasts. We don't even know what the game will cost (if anythinh) to buy. So kindly go shove your hallucinations and, again, lay off the 'shrooms.

So…
Quote:
Battlefield 3 also doesn't require you pay 5 dollars to CCP every time you lose little flying command center.
…just like Dust then.


Goes both ways. You criticize me for making an assumption, yet you did the exact same thing by claiming they would last forever.

I'm assuming something based on an existing economy and existing gameplay mechanics which would be severely screwed up if it didn't go exactly the way i described it.

Your assumption is based on nothing. Guess which one reality favors more?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#114 - 2011-12-23 07:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kuronaga wrote:

I thought we already established the target audience sucks and won't stick around.

No. You had just claimed it without anything to back it up, as usual
First Lieutenant Dan
Doomheim
#115 - 2011-12-23 07:55:37 UTC
Why? Why? Everytime I'm working you come and mess everything up D:.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#116 - 2011-12-23 07:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

I thought we already established the target audience sucks and won't stick around.

No. You had just claimed it without anything to back it up, as usual


pot, meet kettle.

only my kettle is nicer, and comes with a cooking guide.

Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

I thought we already established the target audience sucks and won't stick around.

No. You had just claimed it without anything to back it up, as usual


yahuh? so where's your evidence to support your own claim of things lasting forever?
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#117 - 2011-12-23 07:57:35 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041

Quote:
Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PC’s keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, it’s far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.


Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there.


This post is stupid and you should be depressed for being the one who made it.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#118 - 2011-12-23 07:59:57 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041

Quote:
Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PC’s keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, it’s far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.


Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there.


This post is stupid and you should be depressed for being the one who made it.


Your name is stupid and your mother should be ashamed in general.
Darren Corley
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#119 - 2011-12-23 08:01:16 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

I thought we already established the target audience sucks and won't stick around.

No. You had just claimed it without anything to back it up, as usual


pot, meet kettle.

only my kettle is nicer, and comes with a cooking guide.

Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

I thought we already established the target audience sucks and won't stick around.

No. You had just claimed it without anything to back it up, as usual


yahuh? so where's your evidence to support your own claim of things lasting forever?


Tippia never claimed that. YOU claimed they suck and would leave. No one said they would. Burden of proof lies with you, sir.
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#120 - 2011-12-23 08:04:07 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041

Quote:
Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PC’s keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, it’s far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.


Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there.


This post is stupid and you should be depressed for being the one who made it.


Your name is stupid and your mother should be ashamed in general.


That very well maybe, doesn't change the fact that your OP is stupid and this example of your stupidity will exist on the internet forever.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!