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How "science proof" is EVE?

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Sophie Mahler
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-03-13 08:00:34 UTC
Hi, maybe it's a topic for out of pod section, maybe it isn't. Keep in mind that I barely understand what I'll talk about here (probably not even enough to say I'd understand it at all).

But I was wondering, since the latest advancement in physics, the understanding our brightest scientists are beginning to have about space, time, matter and whatnot.

How does EVE hold its own when it comes to ""realistic" simulation" of space travel and interaction (aside of the clichés, such as "there's no sound in space", thank god they still put sound in the game for enjoyment reasons even tho there shouldn't be)

if there are people who understand this (there has to be) and who are playing eve.

1. so how "realistic" is this game, is it "up to date" with modern, 2015 science regarding time & space travel?

2. this is more for the dev team, even tho they probably won't bother to read this (maybe they will), but are there plans to further improve the game in order to make it closer to what "real life space travel" could be?


obviously, wormholes are present, which, by itself, says alot.

Do CCP have actual science consultats? I'm sure many renowned scientists would be more than happy to lay down some serious math.

I have recently been to a conference by french PHD and engineer Philippe Guillemant, researcher at CNRS (National Center for Scientific Research) Marseille who is working on a perfect field (quantum physics AND engineering -and some other fancy stuff) and would be able, and possibly even willing to collaborate with CCP regarding Space travel and space engineering "real life" science applications.


as far as I've seen, Eve, obviously, is mostly based on materialistic science, now that we realize through science that there may very well be a "consiousness" part of science as well, it would be properly amazing to, one day, see consciousness oriented skills and gameplay appear in such a huge and complex game.

anyway, just a piece of my mind for those who may be interested in.

much love <3
Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#2 - 2015-03-13 08:10:22 UTC
CCP consult only scientists for economics.Sad

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#3 - 2015-03-13 08:12:27 UTC
Not.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-03-13 08:13:05 UTC
Its all good from sound in space, to wormholes, to submarine mechanics.... If in doubt just say "because of Quantum" and it makes sense...

I mean whos to argue? its the future... who knows whats possible if you can manipulate or perseive quantum entanglement within objects... theres already instentanious travel (jump drives), artificial gravity, direct neural interfaces... imagination is the limit lol


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Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#5 - 2015-03-13 08:14:50 UTC
I think you'd be hard pressed to find much accurate science at all.
Even down to the basics like it uses the physics of submarines rather than space ships, the ammo weights don't match the gun sizes, etc.
Serene Repose
#6 - 2015-03-13 08:24:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Our "brightest scientists" think there's a copy (or two or three) of themselves somewhere else, doing exactly what they're doing here...where ever? whatever THAT may be. Only, they can't say exactly where....or what.... SO... "scientist?" I'm not impressed. "Scientist" is beginning to sound like "The High Priest" says....

EVE physics is as real as it can be and have a playable game that doesn't have players quitting,
climbing the walls or face-rolling it. I should think someone could figure this part out if they've
set their course for a planet, and an hour later they haven't "gotten there yet." Physics, of course,
would have you smash into the surface - gravity and all that. Did you miss the "clone" part, perhaps?

So, how many "is the physics of EVE scientifically comparable" posts is this so far this year? (And, it's still March.)

PS I have to say I AM impressed that "science" has finally decided to accept the fact that consciousness does indeed exist. I know it's not apparent to everyone, (especially the brain dead.) Good to see they're coming around...or coming to, whichever applies.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#7 - 2015-03-13 08:46:11 UTC
- Ships flying around at warpspeed without using any kind of fuel.
- Caroline's star seen exploding at the same time lightyears apart.
- Endless resources (Asteroid belts spawning at the very same place every day at noon).
- Asteroid belts' ores depending on the sec status of the system they spawn in.
- Ships colliding at high speeds without getting damaged.
- Packaging and unpackaging spaceships in seconds thereby reducing the volume incredibly.
- Storing thousands of ships in stations big enough to house a few dozen.

Those are all good decisions for gameplay reasons. But it's not science.
Jade Blackwind
#8 - 2015-03-13 08:55:59 UTC
Eve Online is about as scientifically accurate as Asteroids.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#9 - 2015-03-13 10:12:05 UTC
<--- Kerbal Space Program is that-away


We don't do science here in the land of space-gravy.

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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#10 - 2015-03-13 10:32:25 UTC
The problem with real physics is that it would be very very very very boring. Really.

Space fights won't be a thing just because the way physics works. We often think that 200km is long range. While if your in orbit your typically looking at distances of 20-50 000km being more typical. You always going to see the "bullets" coming and your always going to be out of the way. And no lasers don't give you infinite magic range. Maneuvering would take hours to days and there is no stealth in space.

It is interesting to note that quite a lot of "good" classic Scifi is rife with inaccuracies and misunderstandings about physics. Yea i have a masters in physics, laser and Astrophysics to be exact.

AKA the scientist.

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Well fun is also good.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2015-03-13 10:35:33 UTC
They're loose and fast with the laws of physics so not very.
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Galactic Rangers
#12 - 2015-03-13 10:39:49 UTC
not even a little. it's an mmorpg not a sim. KSP ArrowArrowArrowArrow
Vyl Vit
#13 - 2015-03-13 10:42:09 UTC
I'm so sorry to learn all this. I thought I was exerting my deific nature in EVE just as I do in the real world!
Shucks! To think it's all been imagined. What will my followers say??

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

embrel
BamBam Inc.
#14 - 2015-03-13 10:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: embrel
science rolls off of EVE like poo does on a nanocoated toilet, so quite scienceproof.
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Galactic Rangers
#15 - 2015-03-13 10:58:00 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
I'm so sorry to learn all this. I thought I was exerting my deific nature in EVE just as I do in the real world!
Shucks! To think it's all been imagined. What will my followers say??


they shall say,, nik nik bokalota tum tum tum,,, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. ,,,,,,,,,,, pop!

just around dawn,, naked and very drunk ShockedRoll nothing is real the moon is a hologram and the sky isn't blue,, it's orange. they just told us blue is orange. lol
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#16 - 2015-03-13 11:14:35 UTC
Sophie Mahler wrote:

1. so how "realistic" is this game, is it "up to date" with modern, 2015 science regarding time & space travel?

If it would be, Eve would be a game playing on earth and not in space wouldn't it?



Nalia White
Tencus
#17 - 2015-03-13 11:25:55 UTC
"Yes sir, this ammunition will work for all your medium sized guns. from 180mm dual AC up to 720mm artillery!"

Shocked

Syndicate - K5-JRD

Home to few, graveyard for many

My biggest achievement

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Galactic Rangers
#18 - 2015-03-13 11:29:49 UTC
Nalia White wrote:
"Yes sir, this ammunition will work for all your medium sized guns. from 180mm dual AC up to 720mm artillery!"

Shocked


sweet Big smile i'll take 500k of the red with the yellow spots and 500k of the green ones.. st patricks day is coming after all Roll
Sophie Mahler
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2015-03-13 12:45:02 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Sophie Mahler wrote:

1. so how "realistic" is this game, is it "up to date" with modern, 2015 science regarding time & space travel?

If it would be, Eve would be a game playing on earth and not in space wouldn't it?





well for example, the movie "interstellar" is science fiction, but with a more "solid" scientific ground than Sci Fi flicks of the 60s

in EVE, we got wormholes, that's something already down in theory and not that far fetched from what science has discovered rather recently.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#20 - 2015-03-13 12:53:46 UTC
Nalia White wrote:
"Yes sir, this ammunition will work for all your medium sized guns. from 180mm dual AC up to 720mm artillery!"

Shocked


It's more of a grapeshot charge than precision fit rounds. What did you expect from the Minmatar? :)

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