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Arbitrator mining yield drone bonus replacement
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-02-25 22:44:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
Guys what do you think about taking away and/or replacing Arbitrator' & VNI's mining yield drone bonus?

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AnimeHeretic
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-02-25 23:34:02 UTC
Why? did it look at you funny?
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-02-26 00:04:14 UTC
No fun, just a question. Not sure if anyone using Arbitrator or VNI for mining purposes.

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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#4 - 2015-02-26 01:50:33 UTC
Only if the bonus gets put on carriers instead.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-02-26 10:27:40 UTC
for arbitrator i was thinking about e-war drones bonus

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-03-12 10:13:17 UTC
bump

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#7 - 2015-03-12 13:42:13 UTC
If it were to be removed it should not be replaced - particularly not with a bonus which is more useful in combat situations.

If your motivation for removing it is that it is unused and merely occupies space (in the database, in Show Info windows....etc) unnecessarily then fair enough - if your motivation is "what can I get instead"...

The mining drone bonus is something of a holdover - the Caldari had the Osprey and the Minmatar had the Scythe, both pointed mining cruisers with double effect miners... The Auguror and the Exequeror however lacked such traits, instead the yield bonus was on the drone cruisers (the Vexor and Arbitrator). Because the yield bonus was not on what became the T1 Logistics it didn't disappear...

You could easily argue that the bonus should disappear - that the Caldari and Minmatar lost theirs and therefore that Amarr and Gallente ships retaining mining yield bonuses is unfair. But if it's an unimportant bonus, one which has negligable impact then why not leave the legacy reference.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-03-12 13:58:35 UTC
As a mission ship the Vexor is a great ship as is the VNI, the mining bonus comes in handy for the rare mission where you have to mine X amount of an ore for the mission.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2015-03-13 01:43:48 UTC
an old legacy bonus, dunno why it is still there (tbh didn't know it was still there), but if it did go away there wouldn't be any reason to replace it with anything.

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-03-13 02:24:24 UTC
Truly it's not an atempt to say that - hey caldari/minmatar/gallente don't have it anymore let's take it out from amarr as well.

Bu tArbitrator itself is a ewar ship so why don't just give it ewar drones bonus vs. mining yeild ? and here the question, yes it's an old legacy but does it mean we have to live with it forever? definatelly no.

VNI is a bit of unique ship. And probably it's still ok te leave this legacy with it as it was mentioned sometimes it might be handy.

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Valkin Mordirc
#11 - 2015-03-13 05:38:59 UTC
Is there a drone bonus ship that get bonus to just pure damage and not yield?

It might be a coding thing.
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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-03-13 09:33:41 UTC
almost everything else is just hitpoints and damage isn't it?

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#13 - 2015-03-13 10:04:37 UTC
The Domi lost its mining yield bonus a long time ago - back in the days when Battleship mining was still viable. The other drone boats (IIRC) never had the bonus and thus the drone cruisers are the last ships still to have it.

NB: It is important to note that the Dominix Sentry Bonus didn't appear until much later (very recently) it did not "replace" the mining bonus.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-03-13 11:05:17 UTC
there are no cruisers with mining bonus anymore. the only two i've mentioned kept mining drones bonus.

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Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-03-13 12:07:33 UTC
the bonus is a "quirk" that CCP Rise and CCP Fozzie decided to leave in.

The Vexor as a mining boat with teeth and mobility is actually not bad. You can use it as a mining escort ship that can still contribute to the mining op.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-03-29 10:07:50 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
the bonus is a "quirk" that CCP Rise and CCP Fozzie decided to leave in.

The Vexor as a mining boat with teeth and mobility is actually not bad. You can use it as a mining escort ship that can still contribute to the mining op.


I haven't seen a vni involment in mining ops for ages similar to arbitrator. Mining drones bonus for arbitrator looks obsolete from any point of view.

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Valkin Mordirc
#17 - 2015-03-29 10:21:11 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
the bonus is a "quirk" that CCP Rise and CCP Fozzie decided to leave in.

The Vexor as a mining boat with teeth and mobility is actually not bad. You can use it as a mining escort ship that can still contribute to the mining op.


I haven't seen a vni involment in mining ops for ages similar to arbitrator. Mining drones bonus for arbitrator looks obsolete from any point of view.



I think then, it may just be a, "Why waste time to remove it" Dealio.

Why spend time removing a bonus from the code, when leaving it there doesn't harm anything?
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-03-29 11:33:12 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
the bonus is a "quirk" that CCP Rise and CCP Fozzie decided to leave in.

The Vexor as a mining boat with teeth and mobility is actually not bad. You can use it as a mining escort ship that can still contribute to the mining op.


I haven't seen a vni involment in mining ops for ages similar to arbitrator. Mining drones bonus for arbitrator looks obsolete from any point of view.



I think then, it may just be a, "Why waste time to remove it" Dealio.

Why spend time removing a bonus from the code, when leaving it there doesn't harm anything?


got a counter question - would it harm a code to remove? or even beter - replace it with more usefull, deffinatelly no.

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Yazzinra
Scorpion Ventures
#19 - 2015-03-29 12:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Yazzinra
Knowing CCP, that code is probably what holds new eden together. Why do you want to destroy new eden?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#20 - 2015-03-29 14:47:48 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
got a counter question - would it harm a code to remove? or even beter - replace it with more usefull, deffinatelly no.


if you can make a case for the vexor or arbitrator needing another bonus maybe. wasn't in the room when the decision was made, so can't tell if they just passed over it, or left it because as pretty much everyone seems to agree it is a useless bonus.

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