EVE General Discussion

Ok, so there it is in a nutshell, or did I miss something?

…and if they don't want the hassle of connecting or linking it back and forth, they will have to buy a new one for their PS3. In addition, unlike the PC, this M/KB needs to be wireless and needs to work stably in your lap and on the sofa.

So, in conclusion, your silly and utterly unrealistic re-use OCD doesn't change the fact that it's an additional cost for something that adds nothing useful and which isn't supported by anything else the console player owns. It is as sensible as you buying a PS3 controller to play EVE (and asking CCP to add keyboard support to Dust is about as sensible as asking them to add full DualShock 3 support to EVE).

Just because some irrelevant part of a completely different set of consumers would like it — and even they only want it because they can't be arsed/are to ham-fisted to learn how to play the game with the controls that all other games on the platform uses and which all players of said platform already own at zero additional cost and zero additional effort — doesn't mean that adding support for that fringe control scheme is in any way a good use of your time and resources. It's quite the opposite, in fact.

…oh, and as for your friends, since apparently it's not a problem to buy additional and unsupported control tech, you know that there are KB/M-driven controller emulators that they can buy.
So you think your idea is ******** then — after all, it's the exact same one.

If there is one that works effectively than it was pointless for CCP to not include kb/mouse support, as the gap between players will still exist due to this.

So see, they are actually making it -more- difficult for most players to compete with the top % by removing broad functionality.

Keep digging the hole deeper tippy, we can go all night.

Confirming Tippia is garbage at first person shooters, and has no idea why keyboard and mouse is superior over, say, a thumbstick.

Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with sensitivity, although thats generally changeable even on a controller.

Here's a hint: no-one mentioned sensitivity except you. Stop with the 'shrooms because you're hallucinating now (and that would explain the other silly things you've said so far).

But thank you for confirming your ignorance and illiteracy once more.

Next time, check up what said emulators actually do, and why they erase the balancing issues between KB/M and controllers.
Oh sorry, I mean: next time ask your reading assistant to check this up and explain it to you.

I know you didn't mention sensitivity. See you're a bit slow so I was giving you a bit of help to avoid any pitfalls you might run into.

I am also unaware of your emulators, and since this is -your- argument you are trying to make, I'll let you give me a link yourself.

This is the valid argument. So let me ask you, if fighting games allow arcade sticks (which give an advantage) and racing games allow driving wheels (which give an advantage), even niche games like ace combat have flight sticks (which give an advantage) but all allow controllers to also be used in a competitive environment, why should console FPS players get special treatment?

Are they suddenly babies that need everything dumbed down to the point nobody can reach their true potential?

Secondary Accessories. Primary for PC is KB/M, primary for Console is Controller. Most games on each will be suited for that primary control method. Some games, yes, you will do better with a wheel or stick. But it's the mentality behind it. People like me, who won;t use a controller for an FPS, want the control it offers. But most console gamers want the more casual controller. And they want an even playing ground like most sane people would. In ANY case, you want them to allow a KB/M for a secondary audience. Except, regardless of your ranting, doing so would push away the target audience.

And that game was Shadowrun. And the company who made it chose to dumb down the KB/M controls on their own. You don't like playing a FPS with a controller for whatever reason and won't play an FPS with one. Why are you so adamant about doing just about the same thing to the target audience?

…and that makes it a straw man — a fallacy. Nice of you to embrace and accept your own failure.
Then maybe you should look them up… hmm? You know: learn something? Now, I know that this would be an unfortunate side-effect of your trolling, but like you said: the more you know.

By the way, the reason you probably haven't heard of them is because they're horrid — they make it feel like you're using a controller (which means that they're doing their job perfectly… which is kind of the opposite of what the KB/M user wants). The end result is that there is no point in using one over a controller because all you gain is familiarity, but the “feel” of it will break your muscle memory and require the same learning curve as picking up a proper controller… except that the latter will serve you well for every other game on the platform.

Embrace the difference — it's good for you.
Because the advantage is on a completely different level and because of the difference in game play. Those other games are usually tournament-style one-on-one (or few-on-few) competitive games where the regular controller can do the exact same thing as the specialised ones (and then there's the history of the genres: those other games descend from the arcade environment and have as a goal to emulate it as closely as possible — FPSes don't have that history).

Here, we're talking about a large team battles where one side would have a speed and precision that the other simply could not achieve. The alternative is to make sure that both input types give rise to the exact same movement, at which point the KB/M users would chew their own heads off in frustration… and thus make the effort to include and balance the whole thing a waste of time.

I don't see why they don't add combat KB/ M support... a USB keyboard and MOUSE is not exactly Expensive FFS. Maybe they are appealing to the dumb COD player side of the market who can't use/ refuse to use KB and M for gaming, and will prob not understand dust anyway because of there small IQ

"gun shoot. I kill people with gun. what is resist what different ammo types. I CONFUSED>>>> im not playing this game".