Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would 100% support a change to local in nullsec and just like Fozzie says, "it isn't a problem in w-space".
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Fang

I just proposed a solution, that eliminated AFK cloaky campers, gave you an improved intelligence tool, and enabled you to get out of the station, whilst giving you better abilities to avoid hot drops.
Whilst allowing an active hostile to disrupt activities.

Did you miss it?

Think of it as the crocodile under the water, as opposed to the lion at the watering hole.
Both dangerous, but it is only the lion that causes such consternation, as you see it there, in the bushes, all the time. You are just not sure what it is doing, and exactly where it will strike. The crocodile, you only see as it comes to the surface, and the alert can still get away.

Both can disrupt drinking, but the lion can do it whilst asleep enjoying the sun.

Any desire to have the predators shut out , behind fences, or nailed down to be shot is going to be a disappointment, and make no mistake, you ARE the prey.
The desire to be undisturbed, even from thinking about the possibility of disturbance, to be able to gain wealth without attention or worry, is not a scenario that is likely to occur.

The proposal I have suggested, removes the unpleasant anxiety aspect of "afk cloaky camping" rewards active play, whilst still keeping a powerful tool for creating disruption.

You should embrace it.

It is likely the best you are going to get.

It is the only proposal that will truly seperate those who really want to deal with the issues, as opposed to wanting a risk free farming zone.

If you truly want to solve this, you should be asking Fozzie to make pilots be removed from local only once their ships are fully cloaked, and reappear as soon as cloak is disengaged.

This may sound hard, but You will be judged by your response.

Edit. Whilst at first glance this is just like WH. This is almost infinitely safer than the wormhole mechanic, but we wormholers, like things as they are, making WH this safe, would not suit the patient, stalking, hunting nature of wormhole space, and please Fozzie, should you decide, this is a wise proposal, let WH keep our Risk high, just let KSpace have the high intel, safer version.

removing local wont work

the rewards for ratting in null is not going to allow it to work.
have you ever tried to rat as a group in null? well if you get say 10 players doing the same very profitable site you will end up getting something like 4 -5 mil a tick, at this point id be better of with high sec mission running.

why would the above be necessary?
1.) to make it like the WH space you would need to concentrate your group into a tight space, that way they can defend one another while this would work with mining seeing as increasing the number doesnt affect the profit per time base it hurts it very quickly and significantly with ratting activities. forcing those ratters to disperse and be vulnerable and practically solo.

2.) HOT DROP, not a problem for WH sure you might still have a group come though the WH and uncloak next to you but that takes a bit of work, getting up against a player and lighting the i win button cyno takes however significantly less and instantly brings overwhelming force. if it were to happen in WH space you might still have some hope of survival seeing as all the ratters are right there they may still come to your aid and maybe save your ass, but in null those same ratters would be dispersed over a constellation at least but probably over a region, there is no way they can ever make it to you to save you.

3.) you are also looking at populations hunting you, in NULL there is constantly someone out there looking for targets alot of those people dont bother going into WH specifically because the HOTDROP doesn't work there but all the pilots looking for a kill do look for it in null while only a small portion venture in WH. if you made cloaks remove you from local or remove local entirely you are looking at a rise in loses that might be even higher than an order or magnitude, you will drive ratting out of null as profits will plummet and it wont be worth it, especially with the security and profits afforded to high sec with incursions.

4.) if you remove local you will have to scale rewards for null way up that way those same people will still be able to make a profit while constantly loosing their 500mil + ratting ships.

5.) or just all start ratting in carriers within jump range of one another all fitted with a cyno that might work instead too.

Well then I guess I disagree with Fozzie!

Frankly, I'm disappointed that a representative of CCP would advocate that anything "AFK" is part of their game design. Sounds like a cop out to me.

I wouldn't call changes to local a "cop out". Rather its a tie breaker that desn't go along your expectations.

how is it going to affect hot droppers let me think

1.) get in system
2.) Dscan
3.) check ships
a.) if mining barges warp to ore anoms repeat till ship found light cyno
b.) if ratting ship wap to forsaken hub or sanctum/haven repeat till ship found light cyno
c.) none move on
so you just check dscan instead of local big deal.



also park cloak hot dropper in site there is now no longer any warning whats so ever, guaranteed kill in systems with high military or industrial index.

How about we just completely screw this awesome game that we have invested so much time and money into and just remove LOCAL all together in High/Low & Nullsec.

While CCP is at it they can remove the ability to assign drones to any other player. Actually just REMOVE drones/fighters/bombers from the game as they are way to OP. For the people that multibox, BAN that as that is not fair for people who play with 1 account. Take ganking out of the game so that anyone in high sec cant be aggressed unless they are suspect or criminal.

Just nerf the hell out of anything that shoots past 30kms to create more brawls and you have an awesome space sandbox left after all that.

Oh no sorry you wont cause no one will want to play it if CCP keep F*@king it up!

Cheers

AFK Cloaking can be fixed by gives players a structure or POS modules that emits a pulse that disables the cloaking devices for a period of time. i.e. 5 minutes but is only usable once every hour or so.
That would mean the players could not just cloak in systems afk but needs to monitor what is going on so they don't get scanned down once the pulse is activated.

Think about it for a second. If local stops showing my avatar and that I'm there and I go AFK then you'll be perfectly 100% safe doing whatever you want to do.

However, with the current mechanic you see that "I am in local" irrespective of whether or not I am AFK or not, and most players will err on the side of caution and assume I am not AFK and stay docked. So while AFK I can keep you from doing anything outside the station.

Removing the current local system actually renders AFK cloaking impotent.

Christ...how may farking times has this been explained?

yes we get that but it seems you have a hard time grasping the following

you are correct afk cloaking becomes impotent
but then hot dropping becomes OMNIPOTENT

how is that a solution?