EVE General Discussion

Drat, not managing to re-find the supers and Titans conga line footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSziz-vtZKY
This will have to do.

Supers were designed around the intention that only a few of them would ever exist, and seeing one would be a newsworthy event.

Since that's in no way the case, they stand as a monument to the short-sighted game design philosophy of CCP.

Supers exist outside of the regular rock-paper-scissors design of ship classes, which makes them a bit awkward, if not outright bad design.

A certain EVE celebrity has written an interesting piece on balancing supers: http://www.themittani.com/features/james-315-how-fix-supercaps

I think the division regarding Supers has its roots in play styles. The thing I love about EvE the most is the Sandbox and the different approaches resulting from that. Some groups take the approach of gathering as many players as possible and throwing them at an objective, others take the approach of gathering a much smaller number of more experienced / higher skilled players and throwing them at an objective. Massive E-War frigate wings and the like are one of the "I Win" buttons for the first group, Supers are one of the "I Win" buttons for the second group.

When you add in the cost and effort of owning a Super, it becomes easy to see why a large portion of EvE feels very strongly about the issue. That being said I think the problem may start to solve itself. With the new Sov changes, there will no longer be single objectives to fight over. As such you wont see the single massive fleet supported by a huge E-War wing or Super blob if it works out like I think it will. Instead you will have a collection of smaller fleets all working to gain the various objectives for their side.

I personally think its all linked to the obvious learning disabilities.

You either learn to write and spell proper or you just use caps.

Simple as that....

Supers are not a problem for most people. They only start to exist once you have put down real estate in nullsec and they start showing up on your doorstop with all their friends.

For this reason the Supers only affect a certain percentage of the population. But when they do there is no counter apart from having more of them than the enemy. And a well organised alliance can churn them out.


My end game i win ship was always the BLOPS. and ive never gone further. Go anywhere and have some DPS/Tank when i get there.

Carriers in RL are few because of a few things:

- progressing technology makes older carriers obsolete
- the cost of resupplying and repairing them

Unfortunately, CCP doesn't have the Tech Levels set up to allow a rolling progress of technology, or they could introduce newer and newer "levels" of tech, and restrict "older" ships to only be able to use older tech.

Also, the ship repair mechanics don't require materials or spare parts at all. They could set up a system where alliances could take out components from spare capitals to repair the ones that suffer damage in the field, as an option to reduce their numbers once they're "rebalanced."

It is balanced, until everybody spent that time and ISK and suddenly has one.

Back in 2006 when I started playing this game I allready said that titans and mothers should be big fat support-vessels instead of doomsday-machines.

Allthough I've over 140 mil SP on this character, I've not trained a single capital ship skill. I can fly a dread and carrier with an alt tho, but I was never interested in training for supers, allthough I could easily afford to buy one and loose it the next day.

So yeah, I fully endorse the plan of reducing supers to big fat fleetsupport vessels. Dreads and carriers should be used to blow things up alongside these supporting behemoths.