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Upgrading PC (Skint & Need Advice)

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Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
#21 - 2011-12-22 02:14:27 UTC
Luthor Reiza wrote:
RUSROG wrote:
Please, for the love of all that is holy - do not use Vista.


Well I'll start by making enemies and defending vista. I like it so much that I've had it installed on 3 of my systems, replacing xp with it on one and windows 7 on the the other. Ok, now that I have no viability left I'll give you my thoughts on what you could do.


Vista Home Premium (SP2) - As I said earlier vista is what i use, people will lambast you for it but it works absolutely fine, if possible try to upgrade to 64bit as this (probably around £70 or the equivalent in other currency). If this is unfavouvourable for you, 32 bit will still be fine.
Intel 2 Quad Core Q6600 @2.40GHz - What I'm running on one of my systems, absolutely fine.
RAM - 4GB - Once again no problems here
32-Bit OS - see above

-Beyond this graphics card wise ati will give you better value for money, consider an HD5770 HD5750 or HD5850. All good cards under £150 so they won't break the bank.


Above suggestions would effectively give you exact same spec as my uni pc, might sound like a shameless 'copy me' plea but to be honest it's cheap, effective and as I use it myself I can guarantee it will cover you for pretty much anything you might want it for (outside of enormous fleet battles or modding the bejesus out of crysis).



Honestly, Vista isn't as bad as most people seem to think(at least not anymore) but using it over windows 7 is just plain ignorance.
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#22 - 2011-12-22 20:07:03 UTC
As far as CPU performance goes here's a little benchmark I ran to take a look at CPU scaling in CQ.

EVE Online Incrana CPU scaling

The Q6600 can work, but the stock CPU speeds will be holding back a newer graphics card. On the plus side, overclocking the Q6600 narrows that gap considerably and will let you take better advantage of a new graphics card. Also keep in mind that the chip in the graph is an i7 which is more powerful clock for clock than the Core2Duo (Q6600).

There's no need up upgrade from Vista if budget is a concern. They worked out most of the kinks that were experienced during the first couple years of launch.



Professor Alphane wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
Christopher AET wrote:
If wanting to build I would say don't skimp on the MOBO or the case. As the other parts you can upgrade as you go but those 2 form the base for everything so you want to futureproof it to some degree

this, but i would say don't skip out on the PSU either
go corsair, just do it..



MOBO yes, case/PSU meh they come and go.


NEVER skimp on a PSU! It doesn't have to be expensive, or pump out a crazy amount of wattage (550w is more than enough for a typical system with 1 video card). A poorly built PSU isn't able to provide consistent power to components, and can actually damage multiple components in your system.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#23 - 2011-12-22 20:23:27 UTC
Quote:
Honestly, Vista isn't as bad as most people seem to think(at least not anymore) but using it over windows 7 is just plain ignorance.


You realize that XP is a separate operating system, but 7 is just Vista, right?

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
#24 - 2011-12-22 20:29:15 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
Honestly, Vista isn't as bad as most people seem to think(at least not anymore) but using it over windows 7 is just plain ignorance.


You realize that XP is a separate operating system, but 7 is just Vista, right?



Riiiiiiiiiight, look at your resource usage with vista, now look at mine, with windows 7, now back at yours. Your resource usage could look like mine, if only you weren't an idiot and upgraded to windows 7.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#25 - 2011-12-22 20:29:39 UTC
I posted this in the other thread but very relevant...
Cipher Jones wrote:
You can listen to people and their opinions all you want. You might be warned against mine in a thread dealing with New Eden here or there. However, there is one important fact you need to look at;

Using a graphics card that consumes more power than the rails on your PS put out will result in system failure.

You have to read the specs of the power supply, and the specs of the video card. I looked at the specs you gave and the PS only said "300 watts" so I looked it up...

Quote:
- Voltage: +3.3V (13A); +5V (13A); +12V1 (16A); +12V2 (16A); -12V (0.8A); +5VSB (2.5A) Gateway GT5620 Power Supply Replacement


So you can use a 192 watt video card. Anything bigger will kill your PS, and possibly mobo.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#26 - 2011-12-22 20:34:02 UTC
Jimi Crackcorn wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
Honestly, Vista isn't as bad as most people seem to think(at least not anymore) but using it over windows 7 is just plain ignorance.


You realize that XP is a separate operating system, but 7 is just Vista, right?



Riiiiiiiiiight, look at your resource usage with vista, now look at mine, with windows 7, now back at yours. Your resource usage could look like mine, if only you weren't an idiot and upgraded to windows 7.


I benchmarked both on the same hardware and the performance from 7 was not any better, and professionals have come to the same conclusion. I have 7 installed. Both vista and 7 have about 97-100 running processes out of the box, and both take up much less than 1G of ram when running. You will have to run XP or linux to gain performance.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#27 - 2011-12-22 20:38:13 UTC
I'd say that cpu and mem is good enough for a skint rig.

But graphics is always the cheap win.

Grab the best you you find supported by your mobo (and be prepared to possibly upgrade your psu).

Having that said, I have to second several other, get rid of Vista, downgrade to XP or upgrade to Win7.

Vista is another poor stepchild, like Me :/

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Tacyon
The Phayder Corporation
#28 - 2011-12-22 20:53:38 UTC
Cipher .. I am one of those "professionals" you speak of (www.techpro.com) I do this for a living and have since the middle 80's before most of you were born. (which is scary for me)

We would never use Vista over Win7. Its XP Pro or Win7 Pro and just now 64bit due only to business app's hunger for >2gb of memory. Windows 7 (Professional and Ultimate) are more compatible with most business applications out there and cause less issues all around. But this is not why this thread was opened by the OP and I'm sure this debate could turn into a mega thread. (tl:dr, vista = millenium edition nuff said) XP/Win7 if you stay MS are the only real options.

64bit OS is the only way you'll ever use any amount of memory over ~3.25gb.

Everyone was had good advice to the OP and there is nothing more I can add save my vote for a current, bleeding edge video card and beyond that, Windows 7 professional 64bit and more system memory.

Note re 64bit OS. In "business" environments this is still causing issues with printers and the traditional method of managing >5 printers in a domain with mixed 32/64 bit servers and workstations.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#29 - 2011-12-22 22:05:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
Fidelium Mortis wrote:


NEVER skimp on a PSU! It doesn't have to be expensive, or pump out a crazy amount of wattage (550w is more than enough for a typical system with 1 video card). A poorly built PSU isn't able to provide consistent power to components, and can actually damage multiple components in your system.


I was more trying to make the point A Mobo is the part of the rig you are least likely to upgrade, so try and make it is as future proof as you can. I wouldn't skimp on PSU but along with cases I kind of see them as get a standard one and your fine, also case and PSU costs don't compare to the cost of other components. I wasnt trying to advocate buying rubbish but it's hardley a priorety when you could be spending your cash on silicon that actually improves your rig.

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J Kunjeh
#30 - 2011-12-22 22:22:23 UTC
Torskelrak wrote:
Hi Guys/Girls,

I really dont have much money at the moment with having a little baby girl/getting married and moving house all in the space of a few months. So was wondering what I could possibly buy cheaply to upgrade my system. Im rubbish with Pc's

Vista Home Premium (SP2)
Intel 2 Quad Core Q6600 @2.40GHz
RAM - 4GB
32-Bit OS

According to the Performance Test I get around 5.5, which is probably bad but to be honest the PC is a few years old and Life at the moment aint giving me much luck on the Money side ; )

Any help would be gratefully apprieciated,

Torsk

Processor - 5.9
RAM 5.5
Graphics 5.9
Gaming Graphics 5.9
Primary Hard Disk 5.7



Search the forum for threads by Akita..I'm pretty sure she's got a "build a cheap gaming PC" thread or two on here somewhere.

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#31 - 2011-12-22 22:43:20 UTC
Sorry Double post Oops

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Zerakix
The White Mantle
#32 - 2011-12-23 14:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zerakix
Torskelrak wrote:
Hi Guys/Girls,

I really dont have much money at the moment with having a little baby girl/getting married and moving house all in the space of a few months. So was wondering what I could possibly buy cheaply to upgrade my system. Im rubbish with Pc's



What is your current Video card and does your MB have more then one 16x PCI-express port?

Your best upgrade based on posted info for your existing system is a Radeon HD 6870 class or better card since your current CPU is fine for EVE. The 6870 allows me to run max setting at a solid 60 fps thought I've not tested this in a large fleet. After you upgrade the gfx card I'd check and see if the MB you have is DDR2 or DDR3 if it's DDR3 I'd look into upgrading to 64bit and 8gb but if it's DDR2 don't bother it would likely be cheaper to buy an entirely new DDR3 motherboard and 8GB of ram then adding more DDR2.

If the 6870 is to expensive I wouldn't go for anything lower then a 6790 though it's likely only a $30 difference before any rebates but this is only if you are in the US. I can't personally recommend any Nvidia cards since I haven't used one in ages outside of a 9600GT in my linux box but a goggle search or checking Anandtech or other review sites will give you a idea of what the equivalent offering form Nvidia is.
Jali Prince
JelliBeans
#33 - 2011-12-23 14:48:14 UTC
Torskelrak wrote:


Vista Home Premium (SP2)
Intel 2 Quad Core Q6600 @2.40GHz
RAM - 4GB
32-Bit OS



My PC, sounds very like yours, I upgraded to Windows 7, (any variant will make you good) I only have 3.5GB ram, and running 32 bit os. It has not been overclocked, mine was a sli mobo with 2 geforce 8600 in it, till eve and the dust blew them up, I now have a Nvidia GTX 460 SE. I can multi client on low settings (3) and not stress it out. The only real thing you may want to do it add an up to date graphics card and I suspect it will last a good while longer, if you can go for Windows 7 as well do so. It really is faster!

Jali

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