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Ridiculous Buy Prices on Items

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Kick Axe Blackwing
EVE University
Ivy League
#1 - 2015-03-06 13:21:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kick Axe Blackwing
Does anyone else think people camping on items with ridiculous buy prices is nonsense?

E.G. 500K Isk item sell price and "campers" with buy prices of 1000 Isk or less

At least put in a floor limit of some kind to stop this practice.
Memphis Baas
#2 - 2015-03-06 13:27:53 UTC
Um, they are allowing that specifically because market griefing is a part of the game as much as PVP griefing is.

Also, how do you know that the 500k sale is the true value of the item? I can make a whole bunch of sale orders for 5 billion each, doesn't mean anyone will buy my stuff. The 1000 isk orders are perfectly valid for "vacuuming up the trash and then reprocessing it" or for parting non-thinkers and their money.

If you want, though, you can click on the little sprocket icon in one of the corners of the market window (forget which corner) to access market settings, and set up the filters to NOT show YOU all the orders that are out of range of the average market value like that. You can eliminate all the 1000 isk orders and all the 5 billion orders and save yourself some headache. The orders will still be there, you just won't see them.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#3 - 2015-03-06 13:35:16 UTC
This isn't the case in trade hubs like Jita, Amarr, etc. You have a few options. You can create sell orders at whatever price you think is competitive, you can hold on to it and haul off to a trade hub, you can refine the stuff and use the minerals to create ammo or something. Any one of these choices will require specific skills to be trained if you want them to be profitable in the long run.

There's also nothing stopping you from putting up ridiculous buy orders. Perfectly valid.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-03-06 13:35:26 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Oh, it's him again.



It's a free market. You are NEVER forced to sell to them at 1000 ISK, if you don't like it put the item up as a sell order for the price you think it's worth.


p.s. Items in EVE don't have an actual price. They are worth what ever the players are willing to spent on an item.



Let me guess, next you will claim it's an exploit...or that it is used to attack new players?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2015-03-06 13:40:22 UTC
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
Does anyone else think people camping on items with ridiculous buy prices is nonsense?
Nope.

Quote:
E.G. 500K Isk item sell price and "campers" with buy prices of 1000 Isk or less
If I want to attempt to sell something at an inflated price I can, if someone wants to buy it for that inflated price more fool them. The same goes for buy orders, most of my income comes from reprocessing modules that sell for considerably less than their mineral value, if people are daft enough to sell them to me for the price I offer then that's their lookout.

Quote:
At least put in a floor limit of some kind to stop this practice.
Which part of the words sandbox and player driven market did you fail to comprehend?

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Kick Axe Blackwing
EVE University
Ivy League
#6 - 2015-03-06 13:41:08 UTC
I can't believe this is a considered a feature.

The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at.

Whatever. Moving on.

Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-03-06 13:42:39 UTC
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
I can't believe this is a considered a feature.


You kidding? It's not just a feature, it's a selling point of the game!

(pun not intended)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-03-06 13:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
I can't believe this is a considered a feature.

The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at.

Whatever. Moving on.



No.

Cause even mineral market is player driven.

NOTHING in EVE has a fixed price. Hell, even NPC seeded stuff can be partially be turned into a player market (skill books at Jita for instance are all player supplied).



Really, go play "that other MMO", as you completely fail to see what 'sandbox' and 'player driven' game means.
From both of your threads, you really don't like (or don't want to like) the whole sandbox feature of EVE and are looking for that themepark MMO where with every ride you get a full list of safety features and are made sure that you are completely safe.

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J'Poll
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Caldari State
#9 - 2015-03-06 13:44:00 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
I can't believe this is a considered a feature.


You kidding? It's not just a feature, it's a selling point of the game!

(pun not intended)


Too bad, would have been a great pun.



WTB pun for 0.01 ISK P

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-03-06 13:49:33 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
I can't believe this is a considered a feature.


You kidding? It's not just a feature, it's a selling point of the game!

(pun not intended)


Too bad, would have been a great pun.



WTB pun for 0.01 ISK P


I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I just can't seem to put it down.

Please send 0.01 isk Big smile
Memphis Baas
#11 - 2015-03-06 13:51:47 UTC
Why should the floor price be set at the recycle value?

You completely fail to understand the market system.

A floor price set at recycle value means that CCP would be forcing a bunch of players to BUY at that value, from you. I sure as hell wouldn't create market buy orders at the recycle price.

NPC buy orders, you say, to buy your junk, like every other game has? That just injects ISK into the economy, and they specifically got rid of all the NPC buy orders 5 years ago (it used to be like that), because too much ISK in the economy. That's why a PLEX costs almost a billion by the way. PLEX used to be 300k, but everyone has too much ISK nowadays. Just not you, sorry.

As a second point, I love getting crap for 1000 isk and recycling it and making a few million. Took the initiative to set up the orders. Nobody else took the initiative to 1001 isk my orders to beat me. So why shouldn't I be able to make money off the laziness of those who click the sell button without looking, or those who don't care and sell anyway?

NO to bottom prices and NPC orders to buy junk. I want to profit by setting those orders myself.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#12 - 2015-03-06 13:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at.
Why?

If someone is dumb enough to sell me stuff for below the mineral value then that's their problem. Many of us have put in many hours of research figuring out which modules are selling for less than their mineral value and then taking advantage of that to make money. What you're suggesting completely negates that effort and removes a valid industrial playstyle.

Just because you can't see past the end of your own nose doesn't mean that other people should be penalised for your own short sightedness

TL;DR You're posting from a position of ignorance. Given your posting history you simply don't get Eve, Hello Kitty online sounds more to your taste and can be found via google

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Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#13 - 2015-03-06 13:55:16 UTC
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
I can't believe this is a considered a feature.

The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at.

Whatever. Moving on.



Seriously?
You are either trolliing ... or this is definately NOT the game for you. If these things make you so upset that you need to post on the forums about them you are probably not going to enjoy the game much.
I thought you were informed by the community what kind of game this is? Or, that you did your background research on what kind of game this is. Or both.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2015-03-06 13:57:40 UTC
Chal0ner wrote:
You are either trolliing ... or this is definately NOT the game for you.
Why not both?

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Kick Axe Blackwing
EVE University
Ivy League
#15 - 2015-03-06 13:57:56 UTC
Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??

Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices??

Why hasn't anyone talked about that?

Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price?

Price griefing??

Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#16 - 2015-03-06 13:58:41 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
I can't believe this is a considered a feature.


You kidding? It's not just a feature, it's a selling point of the game!

(pun not intended)


Too bad, would have been a great pun.



WTB pun for 0.01 ISK P


I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I just can't seem to put it down.

Please send 0.01 isk Big smile


NOOO, wait ...
I'll buy it for 0.02 ISK! Maybe I'm too late?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-03-06 14:01:22 UTC
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
I can't believe this is a considered a feature.

The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at.

Whatever. Moving on.



Hmz,

I'm already looking forward to your next thread about why a sandbox-feature should be turned into a themepark-feature.

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Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
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#18 - 2015-03-06 14:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Chal0ner
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??


Most things on market are player made. Skillbooks, implants and blueprint originals being the most obvious npc products.
Also: Dear CCP, make corpses harvestable to produce player made implants Twisted
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-03-06 14:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ned Thomas
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??

Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices??

Why hasn't anyone talked about that?

Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price?

Price griefing??



NPC's only have a "market" in that you can buy things from NPC's with loyalty points (LP). Players then either use those items or sell them on the open market for isk at player determined prices. Also, as mentioned, skillbooks and BPO's are another NPC market, but that is also manipulated by players moving those items from areas where they can be easily bought from NPC's and selling them for a small profit.

NPC buy orders were removed a long time before you and I got here.

You've only seen the tip of the iceberg in market PVP.
Kick Axe Blackwing
EVE University
Ivy League
#20 - 2015-03-06 14:06:08 UTC
Well guys I'm going back to work.

Feel free to trash me while I'm gone.

I'll make you a new post soon to bash me on.

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