Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Isn't that what the new sov system is about?

It would have to be agents in space, but that just makes systems so tiny. Most likely, they wouldn't even been Concord-friendly agents either.

Here's an alternative thought. What if every grid had potential?

What if we warped to a "belt" area, and anything could be there? Could be a few scattered ores, could be a few rats, could be a relic site, could be a whole DED complex. Maybe there could be hardly anything at all, but when you fly off the grid, another grid spawns with random content. Now you're exploring.

I think CCP wants to limit players per system though, so it would make sense that for every content spawned, the likelihood of another of equivalent quality spawning elsewhere in the system would need to go down. Sov upgrades could improve this chance multiplier. When spawn rates are strained, you'd mostly just find ore and the odd belt rat.

CCP doesn't delete functioning content though, so it would have to exist adjunct to the current exploration system. On the other hand, I don't see any need to spawn WHs in belts, and we definitely need more WHs in most of k-space. That would solve a lot of the logistical issues people have been worried about since jump fatigue was introduced. They also help to generate novel content and fun roams. Maybe we could replace the static belts and exploration with anomaly belts and signature belts. The anomaly belts would have the same function as static belts, and sigs would be a bit more dynamic. That would oblige everyone to spend a bit more time poking around in space before getting to the farmable content.

I really like the idea of small, fast ships scouting around for PVE content, and then calling in heavier ships for support. Maybe they could even find randomly spawned agents in space out there, or hull-restricted acceleration gates that spawn deadspaces.

At least it wasn't the whole post?

This has been the main selling point by Greyscale and Fozzie with the sov changes; one must choose more carefully where they live.

Well, north has chosen the 1/5th of the livable nullsec, south has chosen 1/4td and rest is renters, Catch and Provi.

Situation is the same as city planners building a massive sprawling metropolis which has tens of millions of jobs, hundreds of skyscrapers, massive highways and ample housing for everyone but decided that a single gap station per square mile is enough. Now, instead of adding more gas stations, it's logical to try to force people to get rid of their cars instead of building more pumps, right?

[quote=Helios Panala
Considering how quickly sov can be messed with under the new system it seems designed to make you spread a decent amount of people over all your territory.

To many people in one place = no money as your fields can't produce enough rats to farm, but your sov is very secure.
Spread out over a lot of systems = more money but attacks on sov would cause a lot more strain.

Obviously the exact numbers need altering, but the basic idea looks solid. [/quote]

It does, but not under current circumstances.

It would make sence to remove the anoms, give remote ded space agent, with a limit on how much misionss they can give.

Those missions would have 0 reward from the agent!

Right now you can have 3x Forsaken hub, Way not give Agnet option that he can give out up to the 8x Forsaken hubs, and after that he is out of intel.

IF some ones takes the mission, Anomaly would spawn same way like now, But system would be able to support more players.

And allow small / medium sized corps to live in one system #like in wormhole space.

Insted of spreding around and losing the bonds eve is about :( And make Anoms Walid for CO-OP like wh/incursions

Coz thats what eve is about!

Naaa, because there would be agent in every null sec system. and if system could support 30-40 players insted of 6-8 would be ok.
Come on.

Right now One system can't support eaven a small corp of active players

I would be soo happy is new sov changes could improve on that.

I see your point, Even if it is very biased and skewed.

Null Powers would enjoy consolidating their power base. However, They've already done that, **Staging Systems**.
A change like this would allow them to "cram most" of their players into 1-2 systems allowing for extremely bloby and fast response fleets.

But, As a Verge member, Who spends a lot of time appearing form the shadows to dispense your **** cannon on the null elite and null bears a like. You're going to be biased against anything that allows us to blob you more effectively.


So, I think what you need to realize is.
A) You're attacking null powers, Most of which in the current meta are blue to everyone and their mother IE - You're gonna get blobbed, Sorry, Its how it is right now.
B) A change like this could actually have the reverse effect on the enviorment, Yes I could jam a bunch of people in one system. But why would I? Side from being close to staging system? This would centralize your targets, make them weaker and more predictable. Especially because they'll think they're "safe" with all the blues around.

*Side note - I'd spread out even more due to this, Everyone has doctrine ships/response ships in the staging system. So if everyone is running missions there. I'd do it else where so I'm not making ISK with a target painted on the ground.

Are missions the best way to solve this? Nah, Probably not, Is it the only idea that has been offered that seems viable? Yea. Will it / does it need to be implemented like this? No. Should Anoms be fixed so their not **** and make living in null ridiculous compared to Incursions/High Sec Missioning/WH!!!!!. Why, Yes, Yes they should.

**PS - I make most of my ISK from WH's/Exploration, As anoms are **** and are a waste of my and really anyone's time.

Thats exactly what they havent done yet, in staging systems there is usually none to very little PvE going on, I would say that the character distribution is rather 75% in ratting space and 25% in the staging system because of that.



It does, actually. You said a system cant support a small corp and I prove you wrong.



What would rather happen is 90% dead space with null empires not owning it but kicking everybody out who tries to "for fun and lol such tryhards".

Hmmm, Where to begin.

ISK is not easy to make in Null. Not the vast fortunes you claim to be.
Yes you can hack/salvage, But that is a very small revanue when compared to doing high rated DED sites, Or when compared to Incursions/Missions in high-sec.
Yes you can clear C5's,c4's,c3's for ISK. Again, Not the average pilot can venture into such things, And wormholes among being some of the much "harder" PVE content in the game. Are infested with people WHO WANT to catch you in a gank.
TL;DR - Yes, You can print ISK in null. No, not everyone can do it. Everyone can run Missions, Everyone can exchange LP, Everyone can (within reason) get into an incursion fleet (Obv some SP required).

Now to exclude all the other BS you pitched, The point behind the thread is to make ANOMS a VIABLE source of income, Or create a VIABLE = as EASILY attained income as compared to Incursions, Missons.
**For the sake of argument, WH's are strictly off board as the ISK made there is to high to compare here, WH's were designed that way**

The basic thinking of eve is, ***The more risk, The more reward***
I'm in Null, Anyone and everyone can do to me as they please, Even with standings, being in the same corp, etc etc.
In highsec, You're safe from almost all types of griefing at this point (Clearly plenty exists, But they're slowly limiting it).
So, By the games definition, Should Null be able to make THE SAME AMOUNT of ISK as Missions/Incursions do? With the same effort? I'd settle for just the same, I don't even need more.

Before you start throwing you're weight around, Let me say I have ISK (I'm not rich by any means, But I have ISK). I make most of it PVEing, Doing exactly what you said, DED Sites, Wh's day tripping, etc etc. But, I'd like to see everything have its own version of isk making. Null currently latches onto everyone elses.

This is to all not argue the amount of ISK invovled in DED / WH sites. In terms of what you invest to just run them, All for the chance of getting NOTHING. While in missions, You ALWAYS GET LP.
Incursions, You could make argument that most fleets are blingy, Sure, But as long as you MAKE it to the end, You get paid. In DED Sites, You at best get Overseers Affects, Worth barley what an incursion fleet pulls in 45mins to an hour. And it took you more to scan and then do the site.

do you think maybe the ring mining idea that was proposed could be the answer?