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So who will be moving to THERA? (Jita without Concord)

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#301 - 2015-03-04 23:58:28 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Aaril wrote:
It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles.

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting.


I am forever perplexed with some peoples definition of "interesting". To me, removing the ability for conflict brings up terms more like "tedious" and "boring", rather than "interesting". Thera is more than interesting enough, removing peoples guns is not going to make it more exciting, unless in truth, that isn't what you want, you just want the bad people to not be allowed to hurt you. How about you go out and impose your will on space, rather than waiting for CCP to bubble (heh) wrap the game for you.


The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match.

Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#302 - 2015-03-05 00:15:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Aaril wrote:
It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles.

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting.


I am forever perplexed with some peoples definition of "interesting". To me, removing the ability for conflict brings up terms more like "tedious" and "boring", rather than "interesting". Thera is more than interesting enough, removing peoples guns is not going to make it more exciting, unless in truth, that isn't what you want, you just want the bad people to not be allowed to hurt you. How about you go out and impose your will on space, rather than waiting for CCP to bubble (heh) wrap the game for you.


The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match.

Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment.


In other words, you don't want to put out the effort and you fear loss? Trade doesn't require security *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#303 - 2015-03-05 00:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Aaril wrote:
It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles.

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting.


I am forever perplexed with some peoples definition of "interesting". To me, removing the ability for conflict brings up terms more like "tedious" and "boring", rather than "interesting". Thera is more than interesting enough, removing peoples guns is not going to make it more exciting, unless in truth, that isn't what you want, you just want the bad people to not be allowed to hurt you. How about you go out and impose your will on space, rather than waiting for CCP to bubble (heh) wrap the game for you.


The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match.

Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment.


In other words, you don't want to put out the effort and you fear loss? *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal..


The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#304 - 2015-03-05 01:06:51 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.



Eve Is Real
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#305 - 2015-03-05 01:43:47 UTC
I wrote a song for the thread:


Walking in Ammar
Walking back from your dock
Walking in Ammar
Feet they hardly touch the ground
Walking in Ammar
My feet don't hardly make no sound
Walking in, walking in Ammar

Some may say
I'm wishing my days away
No way
And if it's the isk I pay
Some say
Tomorrow's another day
You stay
I may as well play
Asura Vajrarupa
Doomheim
#306 - 2015-03-05 02:00:02 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.


If you sell it, they will come.

Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#307 - 2015-03-05 02:38:04 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.



Differ on what? That being successful at anything only requires intelligence and the will to do what you want? I think you need to actually read about history outside of Blizzard's website...
Jenshae Chiroptera
#308 - 2015-03-05 04:04:24 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
That being successful at anything only requires intelligence, the will ...
...
resources,
finances,
education,
personal network,
economic climate,
political environment,
personality,
most acceptable appearance,
physical ability,
et cetera.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#309 - 2015-03-05 04:09:51 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.



Differ on what? That being successful at anything only requires intelligence and the will to do what you want? I think you need to actually read about history outside of Blizzard's website...


I think the point being made was that you don't see Wal-mart or Target opening stores in Somalia, for example.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#310 - 2015-03-05 04:26:31 UTC
Lost my ship last night because I made a mistake (oddly enough, not in Thera).

Confirming I was unable to replace my ship, plus all fittings, because the Thera market is completely barren. Then I was completely unsuccessful at undocking and getting to a safe point because the station was ultracamped. I then could not make my way through one of the connections because that connection was also stupidcamped and I couldn't bother to check one of the other connections.

It really isn't that bad.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#311 - 2015-03-05 05:08:49 UTC
Hippinse wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.



Differ on what? That being successful at anything only requires intelligence and the will to do what you want? I think you need to actually read about history outside of Blizzard's website...


I think the point being made was that you don't see Wal-mart or Target opening stores in Somalia, for example.




Hence the "Jita without Concord" thing was pure sarcasm.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#312 - 2015-03-05 13:48:26 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.


The point you're all missing, and he's alluding to above, is that traders by their very nature (usually) are not PVP, they're flying vulneravble ships by definition to be able to carry out trade. And these types will need a secure space to be able to move. And yes, traders are not up for risking loss, as their income from trade is their epeen, not kills. So by its very nature they're not going to risk that. PVPers only risk is getting killed and loosing out a kill, plus they're defended and in a ship able to compete in a fight.

(we're talking bulk traders here, not part time small PVPers that trade small amounts in their pvp ships).

So, unless part of a blue network, traders will not operate here. And if there's a blue network - then it's absoltuly no different to any existing 0.0 space - aside from the physical connections.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#313 - 2015-03-05 14:28:41 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match.

Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment.


This post made me a little mad. Yup, I'l admit it, some nerd rage here. CCP Gave us some content- really cool, new content to be exact. The players are already interacting with it in different and interesting ways, and yet here is someone who flat out refuses to even consider investigating it. Why? "I'lll die!" Good heavens! I may be one known for simply throwing ships away, but come on. Use a rookie ship! You'd see immediately almost all the wormholes to and from Thera are not camped. Another 15 minutes of warping around, you would see only Paleo and Obs are camped with any regularity... Which of course they are they are A: The same grid, B: the top station.

Furthermore the usefulness of Thera is not the stations, it's the bajillion WH connnecting all of EVE to all of EVE. In an era where jump drives are nerfed to the floor, Thera still offers a very easy (albeit a little less safe) way to get your stuff from Null to high, or whatever it is you need to do. Groups like EVE Scout and Furtherance. even exist to help you do it. Stop assuming the world is dark and scary, go engage it in cheap, cheap ships.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#314 - 2015-03-05 14:42:29 UTC
Daerrol wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match.

Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment.


This post made me a little mad. Yup, I'l admit it, some nerd rage here. CCP Gave us some content- really cool, new content to be exact. The players are already interacting with it in different and interesting ways, and yet here is someone who flat out refuses to even consider investigating it. Why? "I'lll die!" Good heavens! I may be one known for simply throwing ships away, but come on. Use a rookie ship! You'd see immediately almost all the wormholes to and from Thera are not camped. Another 15 minutes of warping around, you would see only Paleo and Obs are camped with any regularity... Which of course they are they are A: The same grid, B: the top station.

Furthermore the usefulness of Thera is not the stations, it's the bajillion WH connnecting all of EVE to all of EVE. In an era where jump drives are nerfed to the floor, Thera still offers a very easy (albeit a little less safe) way to get your stuff from Null to high, or whatever it is you need to do. Groups like EVE Scout and Furtherance. even exist to help you do it. Stop assuming the world is dark and scary, go engage it in cheap, cheap ships.


Dude, c'mon. You didn't see the fleet of 1000 Goon ishtars rolling around curbstomping everything in Thera last night? We're totally at the mercy of gigantic blobs. Hell, I'm being blobbed right now and I'm not even logged in. Big smile
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#315 - 2015-03-05 14:43:38 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
That being successful at anything only requires intelligence, the will ...
...
resources,
finances,
education,
personal network,
economic climate,
political environment,
personality,
most acceptable appearance,
physical ability,
et cetera.


...and luck.
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#316 - 2015-03-05 15:04:58 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:

Dude, c'mon. You didn't see the fleet of 1000 Goon ishtars rolling around curbstomping everything in Thera last night? We're totally at the mercy of gigantic blobs. Hell, I'm being blobbed right now and I'm not even logged in. Big smile

Yeah man, I saw'em. We moved a freighter from Grav to the oft camped Paleo. Thank heavens the 1000's of ishtars couldn't land a point during the 30 second warpout.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#317 - 2015-03-05 15:20:30 UTC
Thera doesn't interest me because:

"Why would I want to live in a system that is undefendable and share it with reds?"

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#318 - 2015-03-05 15:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
That being successful at anything only requires intelligence, the will ...
...
resources,
finances,
education,
personal network,
economic climate,
political environment,
personality,
most acceptable appearance,
physical ability,
et cetera.


...and luck.


TL:DR I can't do anything because I don't have all the outside stuff on needs to be successful. I mean really, that Jen guy spent the time making up an 'excuse list'.

And those two posters get mad at me when I tell them they display victim thinking...
Jenshae Chiroptera
#319 - 2015-03-05 16:14:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
TL:DR I can't do anything because I don't have all the outside stuff on needs to be successful. I mean really, that Jen guy spent the time making up an 'excuse list'.
And those two posters get mad at me when I tell them they display victim thinking...
... or I pointed out how lame the patronising tone of their post was? Roll

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#320 - 2015-03-05 16:19:54 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
TL:DR I can't do anything because I don't have all the outside stuff on needs to be successful. I mean really, that Jen guy spent the time making up an 'excuse list'.
And those two posters get mad at me when I tell them they display victim thinking...
... or I pointed out how lame the patronising tone of their post was? Roll


You did no such thing. What you did do was post a 'roadmap to loserville'. I've known many who think like that ("I can't get ahead in life because I didn't get the education the rich kids got, she got the job over me because she's better looking etc etc") and I think is sad.

People display that mentality in game. "I can't do anything in high sec because of gankers", all the while I'm doing what I want in high sec in a pirate faction ship laughing my backside off at gankers. People fail because fail is a part of their personalities, not because of some external evil.