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Idea for anti-corp theft.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2015-03-05 11:52:00 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
My way is the best way to keep your corp safe from thieves.

I'll tell you my secret. I am the only member of my corp. Keeps it safe as fluffy bunnies, I tell you.

Mr Epeen Cool


I wouldn't trust yourself with yourself.
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#22 - 2015-03-05 13:01:33 UTC
I have removed a couple posts that were borderline troll/off-topic. I will move this thread to Features & Ideas.

ISD Decoy

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-03-05 13:09:08 UTC
So you have to get 3 people to sign off on taking fuel out of the corp hangar to put in POSes?
Dave Stark
#24 - 2015-03-05 13:36:31 UTC
or you could just not give any dipshit roles to empty out the corp hangar/wallet like a dribbling mongoloid.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#25 - 2015-03-05 14:51:56 UTC
the only way you can protect your assets is by not trusting anyone.
you have settings that can let member view and not take.
Even RL friends that formed corps together have backstabbed each other to steal assets.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Juan Mileghere
Meta Zero
Meta Reloaded
#26 - 2015-03-05 18:55:38 UTC
Aeuron Asgard wrote:
As corprations do not have any particular good defense agains´t people who are disloyal and have thieving tendencies.
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For this I suggest to add a feature, that allows members of the corpration to make something like a contract when withdrawing items. That atleast 2 superiors must sign, let´s say a quartermaster and a commissioner, for the person to be able to get the items.

Then the corpration can set a limit to how much items in isk people can withdraw under 24hours before they have to make this kind of contract. Also be able to set the same if like a contract to withdraw 500mil isk worth of items, 3 members needs to sign it and so on 1b 4-5 members.

Finest regards,
Aeuron Asgard
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve.

Or don't be an idiot and either have a hedge in place against that with assets stored in the CEO's person and accept any corp asset as something that isn't guarenteed to stick around, or don't give out roles like candy.
Aeuron Asgard
Evian Industries
Reeloaded.
#27 - 2015-03-06 00:06:57 UTC
Agondray wrote:
the only way you can protect your assets is by not trusting anyone.
you have settings that can let member view and not take.
Even RL friends that formed corps together have backstabbed each other to steal assets.



Yes I know, that´s why I want this. Say you want a socialistic corp. Example:
Industrial corp with 100% Tax, all si shared between everyone and you make money with the corpration as a tool between you all.
Feuds happen between even the best of friends as in real life. Then just cause of someone feel liek they want to betray their corp, shouldn´t make them to be able to completely ruin and steal everything. Sure a portion if they feel like it but not to make all others take a massive hit.
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-03-06 01:26:11 UTC
There are already plenty of tools ingame to minimize the risk of theft, learn to use them.

Trust is the most valuable commodity in EVE. As such, stupidity and laziness should not be encouraged nor protected.

EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely.

McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#29 - 2015-03-06 02:15:17 UTC
You can already give players access to items without the risk of theft. Put your items up on alliance contract at market price. Members send you the bill for reimbursement. If someone takes 10 cruisers you obviously don't reimburse them.

There are all our dominion

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Aeuron Asgard
Evian Industries
Reeloaded.
#30 - 2015-03-06 02:50:06 UTC
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
There are already plenty of tools ingame to minimize the risk of theft, learn to use them.

Trust is the most valuable commodity in EVE. As such, stupidity and laziness should not be encouraged nor protected.



It´s not about stupidity or lazyness, it´s about logic. Please provide something constructive insted of trolling.

Quote:
You can already give players access to items without the risk of theft. Put your items up on alliance contract at market price. Members send you the bill for reimbursement. If someone takes 10 cruisers you obviously don't reimburse them


Well, that´s just to much effort when it should be a simple solution.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#31 - 2015-03-06 05:41:50 UTC
Aeuron Asgard wrote:

Well, that´s just to much effort when it should be a simple solution.


You don't need solutions to things that aren't problems.

Moreso if said things are working precisely as intended.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-03-06 15:11:32 UTC
Aeuron Asgard wrote:
Lol I just now realized my error with anti-corp theft lol.. So slow..

Anyways love you guys for the banter. But now can someone give me a legitimiate reason how this is not a good idea.
Cause I do believe in freedom to structure your own systems and regulations within a corp. Sandbox.

No risk no reward, what reward is there in risking yourself to open theft? There is no reward. But if you have the option to add this feature to your corp. Then you can risk having a open hangar with no regulations, if it gives you thrill. Then you Yarrharr´s can go look for those corps and give them excitement! :)


The reward is allowing your corp members easier access to ships and modules. I.e. you support them, more easily.

Only an idiot gives his corp members full access. But things like Pos, Corp wallet, etc, you know, the things that actually have important stuff/assets, these things already require roles/passwords that need to be handed out in order to access.

The only thing that are easily accessed by all members, and should be, are the corporation hangars, and within that, you should only place things that are expendable. Things that you wouldnt mind being stolen, because you were planning to hand them out, free, to corp members, in the first place.

But if youre talking about giving people more roles, i.e. directorship, PoS password, access to main wallet, etc, If youre not getting any reward, then why give access and grant the role in the first place?

So i suppose i dont really understand why youre asking for this change. You might as well be saying "I trusted a corp mate and gave him full directorship roles, and he robbed me blind, please change this CCP so that the game asks me like 10 times if i really really want to grant him the roles, and then have the game send me a notification every 10 seconds to confirm that I want him to stay as a director."

And even then, its no different than trusting a scammer in Jita with all your assets and isk. Only an idiot or a noob would be unaware of the risks of giving away 500 million isk to someone who claims to double it. And neither should be a corp CEO.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#33 - 2015-03-06 15:40:05 UTC
instead bring AWOXing back.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#34 - 2015-03-06 16:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: LT Alter
Aeuron Asgard wrote:

No risk no reward, what reward is there in risking yourself to open theft? There is no reward. But if you have the option to add this feature to your corp. Then you can risk having a open hangar with no regulations, if it gives you thrill. Then you Yarrharr´s can go look for those corps and give them excitement! :)


There is many a reward for sharing assets with friends. I have a small group of friends with whom I shared a single wallet. By combining our assets we were able to achieve our goals and we all came out richer from it. However, at any time, I or one of my friends could have skimped off with everyone's isk and saved themselves and effort and made a lot of money.

But none of us took anything, and when we finally split our wallet and went our separate ways we were all richer than we would have been if we had just up and left when we initially combined our worth.

I tell this story for a few reasons. First, if you find people you can trust you can make a lot more money together than you would alone. Second, it's possible to share assets without getting screwed over.

Now, as an eve player who has been subject to corp theft and someone who has shared assets with friends, I am against your idea to make it safe for me to do so. The simple reason being, there is reward for doing so and the risk of losing assets if your trust is misplaced not only creates strong friendships and trust when theft doesn't occur. It also allows me and my friends who don't steal to gain an advantage over those who cannot find trustworthy friends.

More than any of that, eve is dangerous. We all should be at risk of losing our assets at a moments notice. To theft, destruction or our own stupidity. Safety is not something I want to associate with any part of eve.

As a finale aside, if you misplace your trust, you should get your stuff taken from you. Frankly you deserve it, and exploiting another person's trust has long been a tactic in eve. Deceit should be a valid weapon, and trust should be something real in eve, not simply an arbitrary game mechanic that prevents me from stealing from my friends.
Iain Cariaba
#35 - 2015-03-06 16:12:37 UTC
If corp and anti-corp meet, domthey cancel each other out with a massive explosion?
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#36 - 2015-03-06 16:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Aeuron Asgard wrote:
Sandbox.

Blast and damnation!

I am incredibly tired of all these people who trot out the "sandbox" pony despite not having the faintest idea what the term actually means.

Stop being ... ugh, whatever it is you are. Just stop it. All of you. A "sandbox" is a game environment where the players are given the tools to create their own content and can have, by their actions, an effect on changing and shaping the game world.

It does not mean "I can do whatever I want" and it does not mean "the game should allow for every single possibility I can think of" and it especially does not mean "the game should wipe my ass for me".

If you're somehow intelligent enough to have created a player corporation and somehow intelligent enough to have acquired assets that someone else will want to steal - even just for the lulz - then you're intelligent enough to manage corporate security on your own without CCP needing to implement a billion different systems to cover every single tiny possibility.

If you're concerned that someone isn't trustworthy, don't give them access to corp assets. If you want everyone to work on a contract basis, then do it all via intra-corp contracts. If this is too hard, then become a line member in someone else's corp or drop out to World of Pandacraft.
Iain Cariaba
#37 - 2015-03-06 17:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Aeuron Asgard wrote:
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
There are already plenty of tools ingame to minimize the risk of theft, learn to use them.

Trust is the most valuable commodity in EVE. As such, stupidity and laziness should not be encouraged nor protected.



It´s not about stupidity or lazyness, it´s about logic. Please provide something constructive insted of trolling.

It's perfectly valid advice. Simply because you don't agree with it doesn't make it trolling.

Aeuron Asgard wrote:
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
You can already give players access to items without the risk of theft. Put your items up on alliance contract at market price. Members send you the bill for reimbursement. If someone takes 10 cruisers you obviously don't reimburse them


Well, that´s just to much effort when it should be a simple solution.

It's always too much effort, isn't it? Why should anyone expend any effort when CCP can simply code something to do it for you?

Edit: As to the post immediatly preceeding this one, why can I only like it once!?!?
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