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Idea for anti-corp theft.

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Aeuron Asgard
Evian Industries
Reeloaded.
#1 - 2015-03-05 02:19:46 UTC
As corprations do not have any particular good defense agains´t people who are disloyal and have thieving tendencies.
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For this I suggest to add a feature, that allows members of the corpration to make something like a contract when withdrawing items. That atleast 2 superiors must sign, let´s say a quartermaster and a commissioner, for the person to be able to get the items.

Then the corpration can set a limit to how much items in isk people can withdraw under 24hours before they have to make this kind of contract. Also be able to set the same if like a contract to withdraw 500mil isk worth of items, 3 members needs to sign it and so on 1b 4-5 members.

Finest regards,
Aeuron Asgard
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve.
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-05 02:23:01 UTC
Isn't all theft by definition anti - Corp?

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2015-03-05 02:25:28 UTC
Or not.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#4 - 2015-03-05 02:34:47 UTC
So how much did they get?
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-03-05 02:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
*snip* ~ ISD Decoy

Corp theft, Awoxing, suicide ganking, spais, etc. are all part of the game. If you want a theme park to PvE til you drop go find another game.

There are ways to avoid or minimize the impact of all of these (i.e. restricted access levels in corp hangars, spreading assets around to prevent a thief from getting everything, vetting corp recruits to weed out spais and awoxers, not autopiloting in haulers, not hauling more than your tank can handle, using a scout to avoid gankers, etc.)
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6 - 2015-03-05 03:11:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
So soon after the safety switch, the next nerf request?

If you are too lazy to look after the security of your assets, why should CCP help you?
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-03-05 03:15:30 UTC

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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#8 - 2015-03-05 03:23:54 UTC
Corp assets ~15B now i have to find 20 co-signers before you can say so long and thanks for all the fish.

The bigger question would the above corp theft make the 20 guilty by association.

What is the exact decibel level of 20 face palms. UEA might wish to know that. (i have to stop reading uae posts)


Would you even dare post if you get robbed with 20 holding the door open and keeping the car war and running.

Aeuron Asgard
Evian Industries
Reeloaded.
#9 - 2015-03-05 03:46:42 UTC
Haha I gotta love this community. :)

First off, no there has been no theft on our part. I based this on: http://evenews24.com/2015/03/02/vanguard-frontiers-600-billion-isk-heist/

Secondly, this is not for pve reasons, this is mainly a logical solution. Kinda same as the president in movies has one key to fire the nukes, and then some general has the other w/e. This doesn´t remove the complete enviroment of corp theft, just makes it much harder and gives it realism. You have to get control or get a partner in crime. Making corporate heist shouldn´t be possible with only 1 person.


Finest regards,
Aeuron Asgard
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#10 - 2015-03-05 03:47:14 UTC
Wrong forum section.

Who you trust and how you keep those relationships going is how you keep your imaginary 1s and 0s safe.
The awox thing ... meh.

This? No.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2015-03-05 05:44:48 UTC
Aeuron Asgard wrote:
Idea for anti-corp theft.



How the.. what the.. uuuhhhhh..

Now im curious.. how do you steal an anti-corp? Better yet.. what is an anti-corp? Please.. I must know why I want to steal an anti-corp!

God, this is all I can think about now. I don't know why I feel the impulse to steal all the anti-corps eventhough I don't know what one is yet.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Serene Repose
#12 - 2015-03-05 06:14:56 UTC
No anti-theft device? Right. The device is don't give people access unless you know they can be trusted.

OR we could make some programming monstrosity to do your thinking for you!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-03-05 06:50:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Aeuron Asgard wrote:
Idea for anti-corp theft.



How the.. what the.. uuuhhhhh..

Now im curious.. how do you steal an anti-corp? Better yet.. what is an anti-corp? Please.. I must know why I want to steal an anti-corp!

God, this is all I can think about now. I don't know why I feel the impulse to steal all the anti-corps eventhough I don't know what one is yet.

I'll explain, UAE.


A corporation is, in dictionary terms, 'A company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity' or where it is used sometimes in the UK, 'A group of people elected to govern a city, town, or borough.'

What we have in EVE is a large amount of 'corporations' who are actually just made up by one person.

To make an 'anti-corporation' is pretty much to have a 'corporation' which isn't a group of people or different companies.
I.e, one-man/alt corps.



tl;dr: OP wants to make it so you have to give permission BEFORE you can go stealing items from yourself.

Because of course, nobody wants that.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#14 - 2015-03-05 07:48:38 UTC
My way is the best way to keep your corp safe from thieves.

I'll tell you my secret. I am the only member of my corp. Keeps it safe as fluffy bunnies, I tell you.

Mr Epeen Cool
Aeuron Asgard
Evian Industries
Reeloaded.
#15 - 2015-03-05 08:30:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Aeuron Asgard
Lol I just now realized my error with anti-corp theft lol.. So slow..

Anyways love you guys for the banter. But now can someone give me a legitimiate reason how this is not a good idea.
Cause I do believe in freedom to structure your own systems and regulations within a corp. Sandbox.

No risk no reward, what reward is there in risking yourself to open theft? There is no reward. But if you have the option to add this feature to your corp. Then you can risk having a open hangar with no regulations, if it gives you thrill. Then you Yarrharr´s can go look for those corps and give them excitement! :)
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-03-05 08:42:44 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
My way is the best way to keep your corp safe from thieves.

I'll tell you my secret. I am the only member of my corp. Keeps it safe as fluffy bunnies, I tell you.

Mr Epeen Cool

I tried this. It worked until I let my alt into the corp. I thought I could trust him, you know? Then he stole a boatload of ISK and spent it all on strippers and booze. I had to boot him, mostly because he didn't invite me along.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-03-05 08:49:47 UTC
Aeuron Asgard wrote:
Lol I just now realized my error with anti-corp theft lol.. So slow..

Anyways love you guys for the banter. But now can someone give me a legitimiate reason how this is not a good idea.
Cause I do believe in freedom to structure your own systems and regulations within a corp. Sandbox.

No risk no reward, what reward is there in risking yourself to open theft? There is no reward. But if you have the option to add this feature to your corp. Then you can risk having a open hangar with no regulations, if it gives you thrill. Then you Yarrharr´s can go look for those corps and give them excitement! :)

Because it removes a unique part of the game.


EVE almost encourages bad decision-making, and as a sandbox, half the fun is knowing/learning that. If you make a mistake, don't do it again, else continue to suffer loss.

While it doesn't remove anything as such, corp heists are preventable anyway.


Chances are, the people who are victims of these corp heists probably wouldn't know how to configure the option/know what it does.


And there is no big problem with this.
It's just that people are getting fooled by others players -outsmarted (a pretty essential point of the game if you ask me), and making a decision that they suffer from.

There no problem to fix -so why fix it?

I know you don't think that it will become a case of removing gameplay, but there will be a newbie corp guide somewhere, and it will tell new corp owners to 'tick these boxes, just because if you don't, bad things will happen'.


And suddenly, the people who would be victims of inexperience, are not victims, because of inexperience.


That's not good gameplay in my opinion.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#18 - 2015-03-05 09:19:34 UTC
Here's why your idea doesn't fit in with the game universe we're playing in:

Corp theft gameplay in CCP eyes



Steward Nalelmir
The Caduceus Initiative
#19 - 2015-03-05 09:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Steward Nalelmir
Quote:
Cause I do believe in freedom to structure your own systems and regulations within a corp. Sandbox.


Then do it. Structure. What you're requesting is already here.

Member asks for stuff via mail to leadership. CEO (and/ or directors) greenlights and makes a free contract for stuff to member from corp hangar.

(Edit: also, you have to realize that heists are usually commited by people who have already acquired full access to corp stuff)
Egdald Eriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-03-05 09:48:47 UTC
Wrong forum.

Don't hand out access (wallet/hangar) to people you don't trust with it or people that need it.

Make it worth more for them to be in your corp than to be out of it.

Make everyone a community and keep the community happy, so that they don't want to awox/steal, because then they'd need to leave said community. Of course, if you're a ****** leader then they might just team up against you..
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