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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#21 - 2015-03-04 14:12:02 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Also its locked to the worst damage type in game, kinetik.


Kinetic is not the "worst damage type in the game" and the Corax is not locked to it. Even the Drake is not locked to it.
If you're shooting at something with high Kinetic resists then switch to another damage type - on native shield resists you will deal more damage with EM missiles from a Drake than with Kinetic... and you have the choice to do so.
On native Armour resists the bonus makes Kinetic more powerful than Explosive but hey, if it's a T2 Galllente ship just switch out to Explosive and ignore the high Kinetic resists... You have that choice.


Why Kinetik bonus is **** has been chewn through so often its not funny anymore and the rebalance of Caracal/Battleship lineup proves that CCP has realised that aswell.

Jacob Holland wrote:


The Corax does have the PG/CPU for them...
At least in the same way as the Catalyst does 700DPS.



Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods.

Jacob Holland wrote:

Most Gallente and Amarr ships?
The Omen only has bonuses to EM/Thermal, the Thorax only has bonuses to Kinetic/Thermal... and unlike the Drake neither of those can switch out to Explosive if it turns out to be advantageous during the fight.


They have weapon specific damage bonuses, not damage specific, thats an entirely different story.

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mrjknyazev
College of Winterhold
Honorable Third Party
#22 - 2015-03-04 14:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: mrjknyazev
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods.


It's literally impossible to fit an afterburner with t2 280mm arty on a thrasher. So what? You can't have all the nice things. Fit meta launchers, you're only going to use faction missiles anyway.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#23 - 2015-03-04 15:02:50 UTC
mrjknyazev wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods.


It's literally impossible to fit an afterburner with t2 280mm arty on a thrasher. So what? You can't have all nice things. Fit meta launchers, you're only going to use faction missiles anyway.


You still have 250s available, corax doesnt have that option.

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#24 - 2015-03-04 15:11:07 UTC
Reina Xyaer wrote:
+1

I've never seen a Corax in PVP, never heard of a Corax doctrine, never flown one myself but all the OP's statements about it make sense.

If you use rockets, you need to have speed.

If you don't have speed, and are supposed to have light missiles, you need powergrid/cpu for them.

Specific damage type bonuses are indeed dumb, what other ship has them? Any good ones? Not that I can think of.

Give Corax more fitting room OR more speed, and give it a general missile damage bonus.


one of my corps I used to be in had a corax fleet, we practiced a lot for never doing fleets

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Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#25 - 2015-03-04 15:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Edward Olmops
I have actually flown the Corax a lot.

see here

Mainly because it has one of the coolest models ever. I have to agree with the OP - it's a shame it's not used more often.
The only viable fit I found used LMs to surprise kill frigs with a few volleys in FW.

That got a lot weaker when critical hits were removed that would explode any ship getting hit for >50% current structure.

And yes, the biggest problem was that LMs + propulsion already were a problem for CPU/PG.

Currently I am still hoping for a T2 version of that hull (maybe a Command Destroyer), but a rebalance would also be nice. Thx to Baali for bringing it up.
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#26 - 2015-03-05 01:41:18 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:


Most Gallente and Amarr ships?
The Omen only has bonuses to EM/Thermal, the Thorax only has bonuses to Kinetic/Thermal... and unlike the Drake neither of those can switch out to Explosive if it turns out to be advantageous during the fight.



Okay we disagree on what constitutes a "specific damage type bonus".

Those ships have a bonus to:

ALL Medium energy turrets,

and ALL Medium Hybrid turrets.

The fact that those turrets can only do EM/Thermal and Thermal/Kinetic is a limitation of the weapons. Missiles are supposed to be selectable damage types, so gtfo with your semantics.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#27 - 2015-03-05 13:35:43 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods.


It appears I've misunderstood your objection; I thought you wanted LMLs or speed...

Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Jacob Holland wrote:

Most Gallente and Amarr ships?
The Omen only has bonuses to EM/Thermal, the Thorax only has bonuses to Kinetic/Thermal... and unlike the Drake neither of those can switch out to Explosive if it turns out to be advantageous during the fight.


They have weapon specific damage bonuses, not damage specific, thats an entirely different story.

Is it really? I was under the impression that the weapons were locked into specific damage types and were therefore comparable... I look forward to loading up EM damage Blasters on my Thorax...

If you're shooting an Enyo with a Kinetic bonused missile ship then you have the choice to use Explosive missiles... on the other hand if it's a Wolf then enjoy your higher damage.
The Enyo fighting your Hawk doesn't have the choice to switch to EM damage Blasters, it has to suck up the high T2 resists.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#28 - 2015-03-05 13:45:33 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods.


It appears I've misunderstood your objection; I thought you wanted LMLs or speed...

Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Jacob Holland wrote:

Most Gallente and Amarr ships?
The Omen only has bonuses to EM/Thermal, the Thorax only has bonuses to Kinetic/Thermal... and unlike the Drake neither of those can switch out to Explosive if it turns out to be advantageous during the fight.


They have weapon specific damage bonuses, not damage specific, thats an entirely different story.

Is it really? I was under the impression that the weapons were locked into specific damage types and were therefore comparable... I look forward to loading up EM damage Blasters on my Thorax...

If you're shooting an Enyo with a Kinetic bonused missile ship then you have the choice to use Explosive missiles... on the other hand if it's a Wolf then enjoy your higher damage.
The Enyo fighting your Hawk doesn't have the choice to switch to EM damage Blasters, it has to suck up the high T2 resists.



Yes but the weapons are balanced around the fact that they have those disedvantages (blasters get high damage and lasers high optimal), opposed to missiles who are balanced around selectable damage.

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