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new SOV changes and titans

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Terminator Cindy
Yesterday's Tomorrow
#1 - 2015-03-03 22:15:29 UTC
With the new SOV changes, there will be no more structures shooting in order to capture them - there goes the last useful role of the titans ?
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#2 - 2015-03-03 22:19:58 UTC
When was the last time you used your titan as DPS to kill a structure.


























Yep. Thought so

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Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-03-03 22:26:22 UTC
I reckon the best way to stop a small group trying to take your space will be to sit on the target structure in a titan with an entosis link running.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-03-03 22:37:13 UTC
Terminator Cindy wrote:
With the new SOV changes, there will be no more structures shooting in order to capture them - there goes the last useful role of the titans ?


Please don't talk about stuff you know nothing about. I've never flown with a sov war fleet and even I know Titans are never used for structure grinds Roll

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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-03-03 22:39:19 UTC
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
Lettie Slapdash
S.O.E Strike Force
#6 - 2015-03-03 22:40:58 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.



Good
Jane Shapperd
Quafe Commandos
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#7 - 2015-03-03 22:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jane Shapperd
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.





still they will be used for poco's and towers (dead sticks for supers) tho

supers can still be droped on fleets of BS/BC
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#8 - 2015-03-03 22:54:18 UTC
Jane Shapperd wrote:
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.





still they will be used for poco's and towers (dead sticks for supers) tho

supers can still be droped on fleets of BS/BC

Not for long I bet





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Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#9 - 2015-03-03 23:19:12 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.


Titans are supercapitals.

There will still be fleets of supercap vs. supercap since the only way to really take someone's space is to clear them off the battlefield. What this is really going to do is force more fights and prevent people from running away as soon as the enemy logs in to defend their stuff.

What's different in the new system is that when a small alliance fights another small alliance for space, the same dynamics can occur without big fleets or even big ships coming into it. You'll still have to match your enemy's best with your own best, but presumably you won't have to match your best with the best in the game, not every time in every system.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2015-03-03 23:29:33 UTC
Phig Neutron wrote:

Titans are supercapitals.

There will still be fleets of supercap vs. supercap since the only way to really take someone's space is to clear them off the battlefield. What this is really going to do is force more fights and prevent people from running away as soon as the enemy logs in to defend their stuff.

What's different in the new system is that when a small alliance fights another small alliance for space, the same dynamics can occur without big fleets or even big ships coming into it. You'll still have to match your enemy's best with your own best, but presumably you won't have to match your best with the best in the game, not every time in every system.

Also you can't just drop 50 Titans and 100 Supers and call it a day. If you drop just Caps they can drop frigs instead to counter, Asymmetric warfare. Since the frigs are cheap enough to afford a few losses. And very hard for the Caps to kill.
So even if they do come by with titans and you have none, you have a way to defend your space now. And if they drop subcaps to engage yours, then you only have to fight the subcaps.

So Caps still have plenty of use in fleet combat, same place they always did, but they are no longer the 'win' button. Instead they fit into the Asymmetric warfare meta of EVE where a frigate is meant to be capable in a fleet fight, just different.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-03-03 23:40:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiandoshia
Liam Inkuras wrote:
When was the last time you used your titan as DPS to kill a structure.





















Yep. Thought so


Yesterday.


Cancel Align NOW wrote:
I reckon the best way to stop a small group trying to take your space will be to sit on the target structure in a titan with an entosis link running.


That seems like a really really good use of all the heaps of supercaps Eve has by now... we'll just build stations out of them and hide the hills inside them.
Commander Spurty
#12 - 2015-03-04 00:59:04 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:

Cancel Align NOW wrote:
I reckon the best way to stop a small group trying to take your space will be to sit on the target structure in a titan with an entosis link running.


That seems like a really really good use of all the heaps of supercaps Eve has by now... we'll just build stations out of them and hide the hills inside them.



Hmmm all those freeports you'll create for the players before you implode.



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PhantomMajor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-03-04 03:02:13 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.



Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh!
Miko Valentine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-03-04 03:03:19 UTC
Poor PL :3
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-03-04 07:31:13 UTC
PhantomMajor wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.



Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh!


Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing.Lol
Terminator Cindy
Yesterday's Tomorrow
#16 - 2015-03-04 08:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminator Cindy
Phig Neutron wrote:
There will still be fleets of supercap vs. supercap since the only way to really take someone's space is to clear them off the battlefield.


Yeah because titans are sooooo dangerous against a fleet of subcaps - or even against ONE subcap for that matter.Having a red titan in your area would hardly intimidate anyone.
The only super/caps that can do anything to SOME OF THE ( badly fitted ) subcaps are the carriers. And their end is near also ( see the new fighter changes ).
Therefor, I will have to bring titans to clear my area from... what ? the fleet of carriers that will jump me when I am ratting ?
Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2015-03-04 10:10:13 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
PhantomMajor wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.



Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh!


Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing.Lol


Genuine question, as I haven't followed this too closely, but which are you suggesting here;

1 - Being in an opponent's system passively decreases their indices?

or

2 - People are still so scared of an afk cloaker that they won't undock, use their space, and thusly their indices will fall?

Because if you're saying 1 then yeah, ccp need to look at that, but if you're saying 2, then it seems like it's working as intended. Can't be all comfy and safe just because of +1 in local forever.
jurgen b
Papal Zouaves
#18 - 2015-03-04 11:05:40 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
PhantomMajor wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.



Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh!


Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing.Lol




afk camp for sov, didnt ccp tweaked that in FW plex which makes it impossible to capture now cloaked afk. they should have learned by now i guess Lol
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#19 - 2015-03-04 12:11:21 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
PhantomMajor wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.



Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh!


Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing.Lol

Err did you even read about the sov changes proposed? AFK is going to get you exactly *nothing*. Dwell time in the system means nothing. Killing rats and mining does.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#20 - 2015-03-04 12:22:21 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
PhantomMajor wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.



Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh!


Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing.Lol

Err did you even read about the sov changes proposed? AFK is going to get you exactly *nothing*. Dwell time in the system means nothing. Killing rats and mining does.


You missed the point:

AFK camping will keep the other guys from doing any NPC killing or mining, lowering their defense bonus.

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