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Gila or Vexor NI for PVP?
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Dredd Ryu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-03-02 19:42:22 UTC
Hello guys, I'm newbie in eve but I want to know what ship is better for PVP and a good fitting for them.

I like to play with drones.


Thanks
Kestral Anneto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-03-02 19:48:17 UTC
Dredd Ryu wrote:
Hello guys, I'm newbie in eve but I want to know what ship is better for PVP and a good fitting for them.

I like to play with drones.


Thanks


Gila all the way, plus its great for PvE. I went from a deadspace fitted CNR to a t2 fitted Gila and get better ticks, plus i've been on the recieving end of Gila's in PvP, and they are monsters.
Dredd Ryu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-03-02 19:49:11 UTC
Can you send me a fiiting list ?
Kestral Anneto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-03-02 19:55:40 UTC
Dredd Ryu wrote:
Can you send me a fiiting list ?


http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Gila

has some basic fits, tweek to your tastes and what space your in if your using it for PvE
Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#5 - 2015-03-02 20:00:39 UTC
If your new to eve and pvp I would really strongly suggest buying something a bit cheaper, as you will **** up and die a lot. Its just the nature of this game.

Something similar to the gila would be the standard vexor, you can build like 8 of them for the price of a gila.

Something like this:

[Vexor, Active]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x2000
Null M x2000
Void M x2000
Navy Cap Booster 800 x16
Dredd Ryu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-03-02 20:02:10 UTC
Ong wrote:
If your new to eve and pvp I would really strongly suggest buying something a bit cheaper, as you will **** up and die a lot. Its just the nature of this game.

Something similar to the gila would be the standard vexor, you can build like 8 of them for the price of a gila.

Something like this:

[Vexor, Active]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x2000
Null M x2000
Void M x2000
Navy Cap Booster 800 x16



Thanks bro!
Valkin Mordirc
#7 - 2015-03-03 07:24:18 UTC
Go with a Vexor Navy for right now if you new to PVP. They are great ships that deal pull a lot of force with them.

Gila is obviously better but more expensive so ****-ups that are bound to happen don't hurt as much. =P
#DeleteTheWeak
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-03-03 10:11:52 UTC
Gila isn't very good for solo pvp, cause when you fit a point and a web, you got no tank. For a gang it doesnt realy matter if you have 600 dps or 500 dps (not a big difference when there are 5-8 ships in a gang).

So if if you can afford to loose 300 mils ship, then go for Gila, if not then go for VNI.

Also a lot will depend on you fleet, whether you will have shield or armor logis. For armor logis VNI is the only option.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-03-03 13:23:42 UTC
Gila can have plenty of tank even with 2 slots dedicated to tackle.

Hell you can get over 50k ehp with prop AND tackle.


VNI is a nice ship though, I prefer to hull tank mine.

Art of Explosions
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#10 - 2015-03-03 13:42:47 UTC
Start with vexor as it was written here, earn experience with the ship and you'll be ready for the next steps.

From here, once you get T2 heavy drones, go towards the VNI. There are a lot of viable fits, armor and shield as well (armor tend to be more popular, due to their efficiency and the slot layout).

Gila is pretty awesome as a solo pvp boat, however the playstyle changes a bit, and kiting fits are favored over brawling fits. You tend to be more careful while flying 300M+ hulls, and the gila has enough mid slots and base speed to make for a formidable kiter. Until then, go vexor, use the fit linked a few posts up, and most importantly, learn from your losses and have fun.
Valkin Mordirc
#11 - 2015-03-03 20:46:04 UTC
[quote=Garrett Osinov]Gila isn't very good for solo pvp, cause when you fit a point and a web, you got no tank. For a gang it doesnt realy matter if you have 600 dps or 500 dps (not a big difference when there are 5-8 ships in a gang).
/quote]

My Gila can get a 60k Buffer, along with 1000dps O/H Thats with a 3-slot tank,

Or 700+ DPS with a 100mn and a 45k tank

Or 700~ DPS with an XL-ASB.


The Gila is a decent solo ship. And if your only getting 600dps from your GIla you really need to rework your fit or skills because you're doing something wrong.
#DeleteTheWeak
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-03-03 21:03:38 UTC
Just use a t1 cruiser the bling will die. It always does in the end. I love the gila but don't go solo. The blob will win
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-03-03 23:01:20 UTC
I've been playing with a Hull Vexor, for a few amusing kills the most amusing was killing a vagabond even though my hud was bugged and not showing any incoming damage.. apparently i had 30% hull left after he went pop.

The point is, even the T1 Cruisers with a clever fit can drop a T2 Cruiser. Enjoy the cheap life for a while.

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-03-04 08:20:49 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
[quote=Garrett Osinov]Gila isn't very good for solo pvp, cause when you fit a point and a web, you got no tank. For a gang it doesnt realy matter if you have 600 dps or 500 dps (not a big difference when there are 5-8 ships in a gang).
/quote]

My Gila can get a 60k Buffer, along with 1000dps O/H Thats with a 3-slot tank,

Or 700+ DPS with a 100mn and a 45k tank

Or 700~ DPS with an XL-ASB.


The Gila is a decent solo ship. And if your only getting 600dps from your GIla you really need to rework your fit or skills because you're doing something wrong.



Been looking for that kind of Gula fit. Struggling to get passed 800dps. Care to share your fit?
Valkin Mordirc
#15 - 2015-03-04 08:28:27 UTC
I'm at work and don't have access to EFT.


But the High DPS Version I can remember off my head goes like this

Full Rack of Heavy Assaults II + A Small Nuet

Mids are One Adaptive Invul II Two Cal Navy Large Shield Extenders (For CPU), One Fed navy Web, One Faction Point, (Can't remember which one =\) And an 10mn Experimental MWD

Lows are, DCUII And Three DDA II.

Shield Rigs are Anti EM II and Two Extenders II


With Augmented Hammers and Furies O/h It's 1033DPS 
#DeleteTheWeak
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#16 - 2015-03-04 10:31:58 UTC
Both are pretty expensive cause if you don't wanna be a scrub you have to use geckos on your VNI. That being said, both ships are very strong. Here are the two ~meta~ fits right now:

[Vexor Navy Issue, 100mn]
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler

Drone Link Augmentor II
125mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Gecko x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Valkyrie II x5
Acolyte II x5
Navy Cap Booster 800 x19
Nanite Repair Paste x300
Improved Exile Booster x1


and

[Gila, XLASB]
Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Drone Navigation Computer II
Warp Disruptor II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

'Augmented' Hammerhead x2
Infiltrator II x2
Infiltrator II x2
Valkyrie II x2
Valkyrie II x2

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-03-04 13:26:47 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
[quote=Garrett Osinov]Gila isn't very good for solo pvp, cause when you fit a point and a web, you got no tank. For a gang it doesnt realy matter if you have 600 dps or 500 dps (not a big difference when there are 5-8 ships in a gang).
/quote]

My Gila can get a 60k Buffer, along with 1000dps O/H Thats with a 3-slot tank,

Or 700+ DPS with a 100mn and a 45k tank

Or 700~ DPS with an XL-ASB.


The Gila is a decent solo ship. And if your only getting 600dps from your GIla you really need to rework your fit or skills because you're doing something wrong.


[Gila, passive copy]

3-x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Internal Force Field Array I

2-x Large Shield Extender II
10MN Microwarpdrive II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II

4-x Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

3-x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

With lvl4 skills it does around 700 dps with hammerheads 2 and around 600 with valkyries...
All lvl5 skills it does 817 dps with hammerheads and 700 with valkyries

Vni does with maxed skills and berserkers 645 dps and or 793 with ogres or it can use sentry drones. And all this at 1/4 of Gilas price.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-03-04 19:21:40 UTC
Trying to solo in a Gila outside of highsec is begging to be blobbed. Any cruiser is a tempting target for a frigate blob but there's no reason to be a 350M ISK killmail waiting to happen. A standard dual rep vexor like the one above will get over 500 DPS cold with good skills and it can tank FOREVER against a single target. And it doesn't hurt to lose so bad as fully fit it's about 35M ISK.

If you absolutely have to have full drone bandwidth or the little green faction insignia on your ship icon, hull tanked VNI is worth looking into.

Hull tanked VNI can get close to 50k EHP with 700 DPS and a full rack of medium nos/neuts, dual webs + ogres is murder and it's stupid fast without the battlecruiser sized sig you get from shield tanking.
Valkin Mordirc
#19 - 2015-03-05 13:30:39 UTC
[Gila, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

'Augmented' Hammerhead x2


This is DPS Gila I was talking about, 1020 DPS 60k tank All lvl 5. About 400mil,

Comparing The Passive VNI to this Gila

It's Faster than a Buffer VNI, It's Tanks more than a VNI, and it applies DPS better than a VNI, Does anywhere between 50% to 85% more than a VNI.

The VNI Is Cheaper, can fit more utility, and is a decent all round ship for sure.

If you don't want to fly an expensive ship then don't but deny a ships usefulness because is more expensive is silly.
#DeleteTheWeak
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#20 - 2015-03-05 15:01:23 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Trying to solo in a Gila outside of highsec is begging to be blobbed. Any cruiser is a tempting target for a frigate blob but there's no reason to be a 350M ISK killmail waiting to happen. .


Solo is not 1v1 but generally 1vMany. Attracting the blob, in a reasonable way, is a good thing since you will be generating a lot of interest, which is the first step in generating fights. And luckily the gila, fitted accordingly, is a really good solo boat. Just take into account the current meta and adapt your loadout to prevail.
On the other hand, it's not that useful for the OP, which apparently needs to gain experience with cheaper ships, before thinking about delving into fights in a 300M+ hull.