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Blitzing Machariel level 4's

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Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-03-01 14:52:46 UTC
Greetings.

I've recently resubbed, read the patch notes concerning pirate ships and was intrigued by the buff to warp speed the Angel ships now have.

Are there any significant changes to the typical Machariel blitzing fit for level 4's ?

Thank you in advance for any and all replies.

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Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#2 - 2015-03-01 16:33:19 UTC
Nope, it just warps quicker now...
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#3 - 2015-03-02 19:10:27 UTC
So what's the blitzing fit?
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#4 - 2015-03-09 11:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: chaosgrimm
You'll want to take ws-615 and/or ascendency implants if ur into that kind of thing.
Hyperspatial velocity optimizer IIs are a nice addition, but they use a lot of CPU so armor tanking is a nice way to save CPU.if you want to go that direction, if you aren't doing it already.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2015-03-09 11:57:35 UTC
Unfortunately, the Machariel is no longer king when it comes to blitzing L4s.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#6 - 2015-03-09 15:18:40 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Unfortunately, the Machariel is no longer king when it comes to blitzing L4s.

What is?

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#7 - 2015-03-09 15:53:34 UTC
He's joking. Mach is still king, and rather uncontested. Warps in 7 seconds, 5.2 AU/sec, 1.2k dps with RF fusion and near 1.8km/s running gate to gate is not easily beatable. Even when shooting in falloff, you still got the mission completed and handed in when a polarized nightmare just arrived at the first gate.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2015-03-09 19:44:49 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Unfortunately, the Machariel is no longer king when it comes to blitzing L4s.

What is?

I think it's been demonstrated that even with a slower warp and align speed, the Rattlesnake can still outperform a Machariel on most L4s. This is mainly due to range, with the Rattlesnake having the ability to apply almost 100% DPS to targets out to 100km. Which isn't to say that a Machariel still isn't good, just that it's not the clear choice that it once once.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2015-03-10 04:58:15 UTC
I feel like the amount of focus it takes to fly a rattlesnake efficiently is worth -50mil/hour. god damn that thing gets good EFT dps and projection, but in practice.... I have some real doubts about the rattlesnake as a blitzing platform. It warps slow, its slow, its drones are slow, the missiles are slow, poor agility, meh scan res.

mach has a few issues of its own for sure, the whole falloff thing, or low dps (and still a ton of falloff) artillery. but in a bunch of cases WOW does it work.

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chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#10 - 2015-03-10 12:32:22 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Unfortunately, the Machariel is no longer king when it comes to blitzing L4s.

What is?

I think it's been demonstrated that even with a slower warp and align speed, the Rattlesnake can still outperform a Machariel on most L4s. This is mainly due to range, with the Rattlesnake having the ability to apply almost 100% DPS to targets out to 100km. Which isn't to say that a Machariel still isn't good, just that it's not the clear choice that it once once.


I'd be curious about this as I do not have the drone sp for rs. Do you recall where this was demonstrated?
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#11 - 2015-03-10 16:55:57 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
This is mainly due to range, with the Rattlesnake having the ability to apply almost 100% DPS to targets out to 100km.


My Dominix can apply 100% of its poor DPS from 150 km. Still in optimal of Warden II. With I believe like half DPS of what your Rattlesnake does. Projection is not everything.

IMHO Rattlesnake and Machariel are both kings. It depends on the mission and you mood. You want action - get into Machariel. You want to blitz L4 in relaxing manner - take Rattlesnake.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2015-03-11 02:12:07 UTC
erg cz wrote:
[quote=Arthur Aihaken]My Dominix can apply 100% of its poor DPS from 150 km. Still in optimal of Warden II. With I believe like half DPS of what your Rattlesnake does. Projection is not everything.

IMHO Rattlesnake and Machariel are both kings. It depends on the mission and you mood. You want action - get into Machariel. You want to blitz L4 in relaxing manner - take Rattlesnake.

It's not just the projection - it's the application. I agree that the "fun" factor is important, too - so it's really a personal choice. I was just merely pointing out that in terms of churning through raw missions - the Rattlesnake is now King.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Ms Sade
Hammertime Holding
Division Nine Alliance
#13 - 2015-03-12 23:09:33 UTC
So how would you fit this blitzing Rattlesnake ?
stoicfaux
#14 - 2015-03-13 00:14:06 UTC
Ms Sade wrote:
So how would you fit this blitzing Rattlesnake ?

[Rattlesnake, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Garde II x2
Warden II x2
Gecko x1
Warrior II x5

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2015-03-13 01:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
I'd probably go in a slightly different direction:

5x Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II (inferno/scourge auto-targeting heavy missiles)
1x Drone Link Augmentor II
3x Gecko, 5x Warrior II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Micro Jump Drive
2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster

2x Ballistic Control System II
2x Drone Damage Amplifier II
1x Nanofiber Internal Structure II
1x Prototype Hyperspacial Accelerator

3x Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

With Nomad implants this thing aligns and warps faster than a base Machariel (4.0 AU/s). Inertia is key here since this also influences your warp acceleration/deacceleration speeds. This leaves the rest of the slots free for any +3 missile specific implants. With a Gecko you want tracking speed as opposed to optimal range and then it just razes frigates. I prefer the Gecko to maximize DPS (it's also omni-damage) and attack battleships directly - using the rapid heavies for frigates and cruisers. For hard targets you can assign the Gecko and then you only need to carry 2 types of missile ammunition around.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Ms Sade
Hammertime Holding
Division Nine Alliance
#16 - 2015-03-13 11:01:27 UTC
Hmm, I'm flying something similar to stoicfaux's fit but with an afterburner and any movement/get mission item is dog dog slow.

Its great for warping in and clearing a room but blitzing I'm not so sure about.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#17 - 2015-03-13 12:59:41 UTC
Ms Sade wrote:
Hmm, I'm flying something similar to stoicfaux's fit but with an afterburner and any movement/get mission item is dog dog slow. Its great for warping in and clearing a room but blitzing I'm not so sure about.

Try switching to a 100MN microwarpdrive instead. With the huge signature radius on the Rattlesnake you're not going to be tanking a lot of damage with the afterburner anyway, and the microwarpdrive makes getting between gates, rooms and objectives a lot less hassle.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

stoicfaux
#18 - 2015-03-13 13:06:44 UTC
Ms Sade wrote:
Hmm, I'm flying something similar to stoicfaux's fit but with an afterburner and any movement/get mission item is dog dog slow.

Its great for warping in and clearing a room but blitzing I'm not so sure about.

Yup. Slow warp speed unless you fit warp implants. Adding a tractor beam requires giving up the DLA. Adding an AB/MWD/MJD requires dropping the DLA and an Omni. If frigates get close, then you lose DPS switching to the Gecko/Warriors. Damage application with only two non-bonused TPs and Fury can be problematic unless you're really good at micromanaging the sentries on smaller targets and Fury missiles on battleships. Etc..

Too much micromanagement for my tastes. OTOH, the applied DPS is pretty impressive and seemed to make up for the slower warp speeds versus a Vargur.

Although using Rapid Heavies could be interesting.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Sentenced 1989
#19 - 2015-03-13 14:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentenced 1989
Lloyd Roses wrote:
He's joking. Mach is still king, and rather uncontested. Warps in 7 seconds, 5.2 AU/sec, 1.2k dps with RF fusion and near 1.8km/s running gate to gate is not easily beatable. Even when shooting in falloff, you still got the mission completed and handed in when a polarized nightmare just arrived at the first gate.


I used machariel for 2+ years, it has been the king for long time until bastion module. Immunity to ewar and tracking disruption, sensor damps and jamms just puts vargur in front of it (and paladin/kronos).

Just now saw its blitzing only, still Vargur with MWD works like charm, you just need 1 minute to stand still while shooting for one cycle and drop target fast.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2015-03-16 18:07:41 UTC
It doesn't look evil anymore, but it warps faster...
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