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Gurista's Rattlesnake
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Subjugated
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-03-01 11:14:45 UTC
I really don't know if this has been suggested before but here it goes...

Some of the pirate faction ships have unique models compared to the empire factions. It would be nice to see more of these instead of just reskins.

I don't know if it's just me but I feel like the Rattlesnake lacks an identity because of this. I'd like to propose to CCP that they change the model for it. In fact I have a suggestion for the hull design. Why not use the old Scorpion model? I personally liked the old model in it's own way.

For anyone who doesn't remember:

Old Scorpion Model

Give it the Gurista's paint job and I think it would be fairly neat. Not only would it set the Rattlesnake apart from the Scorpion it shouldn't be as difficult as creating an entirely new model for the ship.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-03-01 11:25:40 UTC
TLDR: person wants to change the Rattlesnake back to the mess of the old Scorpion model and thinks it'd be trivially easy revamping a years old model for the current graphics.

In case it wasn't clear: nope, leave my Rattlesnake alone.
Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
#3 - 2015-03-01 11:41:09 UTC
Uuuuh, yeah no
Leave my Rattler alone
Subjugated
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-03-01 11:51:58 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
TLDR: person wants to change the Rattlesnake back to the mess of the old Scorpion model and thinks it'd be trivially easy revamping a years old model for the current graphics.

In case it wasn't clear: nope, leave my Rattlesnake alone.

Yeah I definitely said it would be "trivially easy". Poor reading comprehension?
LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#5 - 2015-03-01 11:53:21 UTC
1) Reskinning is much easier and less time consuming that remodeling.

2) New scorp model > Old scorp model

3) I heard the eve art team has been locked in a room for 2 years, receiving all sustinance through icelandic beer. This all due to the backlog of artwork needed to be done on new ships/needed remodeling/other art stuff. Changing the rattler skin is unneeded, and most of us like it the way it is.

That is all.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2015-03-01 12:24:38 UTC
Subjugated wrote:
I really don't know if this has been suggested before but here it goes...

Some of the pirate faction ships have unique models compared to the empire factions. It would be nice to see more of these instead of just reskins.

I don't know if it's just me but I feel like the Rattlesnake lacks an identity because of this. I'd like to propose to CCP that they change the model for it. In fact I have a suggestion for the hull design. Why not use the old Scorpion model? I personally liked the old model in it's own way.

For anyone who doesn't remember:

Old Scorpion Model

Give it the Gurista's paint job and I think it would be fairly neat. Not only would it set the Rattlesnake apart from the Scorpion it shouldn't be as difficult as creating an entirely new model for the ship.



Have you read the lore for the guristas ships? they're all either designs stolen from the caldari, or the caldari stole the design from the guristas. Those are ships for which the lack of an individual model actually makes perfect sense.

Here.

Quote:

In the time-honored tradition of pirates everywhere, Korako ‘Rabbit' Kosakami shamelessly stole the idea of the Scorpion-class battleship and put his own spin on it. The result: the fearsome Rattlesnake, flagship of any large Gurista attack force. There are, of course, also those who claim things were the other way around; that the notorious silence surrounding the Scorpion's own origins is, in fact, an indication of its having been designed by Kosakami all along.


And the old scorp was hideous. Please don't nerf my rattlesnake's looks.
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#7 - 2015-03-01 12:36:59 UTC
Well, that old model doesn't look that bad (with new graphics though); neither does the current one.

Personally I'd like to see all pirate faction ships have their own models, rather than just having different colors. Even if the model differences are slight.

So +1 from me, although we'd have to discuss the new model the Rattlesnake would have.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-03-01 13:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Komodo Askold wrote:
Well, that old model doesn't look that bad (with new graphics though); neither does the current one.

Personally I'd like to see all pirate faction ships have their own models, rather than just having different colors. Even if the model differences are slight.

So +1 from me, although we'd have to discuss the new model the Rattlesnake would have.



Some pirates vary as their ship builders made it so. As Danika pointed out its even in the fluff gurista may have made the scorpion and caldari stole it.

For the worm and the larry (aka gila....we can argue how the g is said,,,why I liked larry so much in AT)....their fluff is gurista stole the designs and improved them internally. We can surmise unlike angels don't have an interest in complete hull redesign. They are happy just making really nice ships changing out internals.


Which I can dig tbh. From my street race/shade tree mechanic days I liked sleeper car builds. Looks like the plain ole vanilla car you'd see on the lot. Its when the tree went green most of my rides showed their inner strengths. Useful for surprising people off the line. Also useful for some attempt at low key when by the police daily driving lol.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#9 - 2015-03-01 13:35:26 UTC
I think a unique model for the rattlesnake would be quite nice. Personally I find the scorpion hull a bit contrived and much too literally looking like its name. Simple changes could be reducing some of the bulk, moving weapon mounts to the "body" and creating a more whispy appearance as is fitting for a race that relies on shields and drones, not to mention keeping up the whole -unknown and weirdness- thing that the other pirate factions have with their unique models.

Picture a current rattler with that awkward stinger bit removed, the claws/wings cut down and more skeletal and a more jagged and cruel looking aesthetic. I think kind of like the old Dark Eldar Talos but not as cheesy.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#10 - 2015-03-01 16:51:28 UTC
if the old scorp model should be put to anything is the Widow

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#11 - 2015-03-01 19:36:40 UTC
The old scorpion model should be put on exactly

NOTHING

FLIPPING NOTHING!

They day they took that monstrosity out of circulation is a glorious day that i will forever remember as "my eyes are no longer bleeding" day
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-03-01 20:12:35 UTC
Leave my Rattlesnake alone... And especially don't even suggest using the old model ever again...
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#13 - 2015-03-01 21:11:21 UTC
the current scorp model is beautiful.

luckily the old model was before my time.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#14 - 2015-03-01 23:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakan MacTrew
@ OP

By "Some" I assume you mean that Sansha and Angels get unique models. None of the other Pirate Factions do to my knowledge (Dare Devil not withstanding.)

Also;
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Leave my Rattlesnake alone... And especially don't even suggest using the old model ever again...

Yeah, that sums up my overall response too.

I may be interested in the Widow getting the same treatment that the Falcon got when you comare it to the Blackbird.

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-03-02 00:01:52 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
@ OP

By "Some" I assume you mean that Sansha and Angels get unique models. None of the other Pirate Factions do to my knowledge (Dare Devil not withstanding.)

Also;
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Leave my Rattlesnake alone... And especially don't even suggest using the old model ever again...

Yeah, that sums up my overall response too.

I may be interested in the Widow getting the same treatment that the Falcon got when you comare it to the Blackbird.


You forgot about Blood riders (except bhaal) as well as Mordu's Legion and SoE.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-03-02 00:03:51 UTC
Current Scorpion hull is almost perfect in regard of it's name, design and textures details.
Beatifull and very inspired peace of spaceship art from ccp team.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Jenshae Chiroptera
#17 - 2015-03-02 00:53:19 UTC
Make all skins ugly.
Sell better skins for AUR.

Hmmm .... TwistedBlink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#18 - 2015-03-02 01:14:40 UTC
Subjugated wrote:
I don't know if it's just me but I feel like the Rattlesnake lacks an identity because of this. I'd like to propose to CCP that they change the model for it. In fact I have a suggestion for the hull design. Why not use the old Scorpion model? I personally liked the old model in it's own way.

It's just you.
Go back to that ugly thing you posted, no way.

Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I think a unique model for the rattlesnake would be quite nice. Personally I find the scorpion hull a bit contrived and much too literally looking like its name. Simple changes could be reducing some of the bulk, moving weapon mounts to the "body" and creating a more whispy appearance as is fitting for a race that relies on shields and drones, not to mention keeping up the whole -unknown and weirdness- thing that the other pirate factions have with their unique models.

Picture a current rattler with that awkward stinger bit removed, the claws/wings cut down and more skeletal and a more jagged and cruel looking aesthetic. I think kind of like the old Dark Eldar Talos but not as cheesy.

I would need to see some rough sketches of you idea before I could get on board with it but they do sound interesting.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2015-03-02 20:02:27 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:


I may be interested in the Widow getting the same treatment that the Falcon got when you comare it to the Blackbird.


That I would like to see, most definately!
h4kun4
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2015-03-03 03:09:36 UTC
well, we could escalate this even more, i'd actually like to have a new model for every T2 shi too, like ccp did with the Stealthbombers, they would still be inspired by the t1 hulls but not just recolored versions of them with some more sunsails or antennas...but thats just my opinion
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