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Vexor or Myrmidon for pve?

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Antera Deninard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-02-27 23:00:49 UTC
hey which of this ship should i take for missions lvl 2-3? and with what should i fit them ?

This are my skills http://eveboard.com/pilot/Antera_Deninard
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-02-27 23:08:50 UTC
Both, Vexor for Level 2, Myrm for level 3,

Vexor Navy Issue can do both pretty well but to start off I would use a Myrm for Lvl3s until you figure out what you are doing as it is more forgiving due to larger tank.

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M'pact
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-02-27 23:09:31 UTC
The Vexor should be enough to run all Level 2 missions.

The Myrmidon is essentially a heavy Vexor, and is meant for Level 3 missions.

I used to drive a Myrmidon to solo Level 4 missions to make them more challenging (on a different character). I never found a Level 4 that I couldn't solo with the Myrmidon. It has an awesome perma-tank ability.

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Antera Deninard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-02-27 23:15:17 UTC
M'pact wrote:
The Vexor should be enough to run all Level 2 missions.

The Myrmidon is essentially a heavy Vexor, and is meant for Level 3 missions.

I used to drive a Myrmidon to solo Level 4 missions to make them more challenging (on a different character). I never found a Level 4 that I couldn't solo with the Myrmidon. It has an awesome perma-tank ability.



Can you tell me your ship build?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-02-27 23:21:21 UTC
[Myrmidon, pve]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

650mm Artillery Cannon II, Tremor M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Tremor M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Tremor M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Tremor M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Tremor M

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Curator II x4

swap adaptives for specific hardeners and u get over 350 tank to specific rats and curators hit out to 52km

Art of Explosions
Asp IV
Apex Abyss
#6 - 2015-02-28 13:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Asp IV
This runs l4 without problem. Very noobfriendly
Switch out the 80 mil c-type armor rep with t2 as long as you have Gallente BC V. Also t2 rigs can very easily be switch to t1 without problem if you use Implant and have Gall BC V.


[Myrmidon, ab signature perma l4 tank kite and Brawl]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Energized Adaptive Nano Membane
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Medium Micro Jump Drive
10MN Afterburner II

Drone Link Augmentor II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Berserker II x3
Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x5
Warrrior II x5

Javelin M x10000
Spike M x10000


Or the l3 version tried and tested go with 2 mission specific armor hardner if you don know how to keep transversal and range/signature tank. Uses fast drones (minmatar) and ups the dps with Drone nav computers.
...


[Myrmidon, Drones L3 perma ab ]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II
10MN Afterburner II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Valkyrie II x5
Warrior I x5
Acolyte II x5

Javelin M x10000
Spike M x10000

Close up and personal l3 fit. Keep at range and kill off frigs and melt face on cruisers, bc and the odd Battleship.


[Myrmidon, Drones L3 jump in melt face]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Medium Micro Jump Drive
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Valkyrie II x5
Warrior I x5
Acolyte II x5

Null x5000
Void x5000


All set ups are exploiting sig tank with Perma Afterburning and Perma rep. Of course you can fit all kinds of guns on a myrm so use the weapon system that you've have most skills in, But medium rails are very good now before upcoming nerf with ROF and the approximated 7,5% damage decrease. ;)

Cheap implants
Zor cheap as hell implant 10% AB duration.
MM 803 3% hybrid medium turret damage
SS 903 3% damage to all turrets
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-02-28 15:31:57 UTC
T2 armour rigs, deadspace reppers and sig tanking in a BC?

That's about as non-newbro friendly as you can get.

Art of Explosions
Asp IV
Apex Abyss
#8 - 2015-02-28 16:15:20 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
T2 armour rigs, deadspace reppers and sig tanking in a BC?

That's about as non-newbro friendly as you can get.





Try to read the actual post next time, instead of blurting out nonsense.

These fits works with meta4 and t1 rigs also. That's what you get when you actually use the ships bonus.

The fit you mention is with one single c-type. (omgerd 80 mil!!). That is the Level 4 fit,

The other ones are 2 different l3 fits that the OP is asking about.. Also t2 rigs are actually affordable and very easy to fit now. Wake up it' s not 2013 anymore. People with **** skills buy plex to jump in a pirates BS so getting decent tank rigs on your myrm is cheaper and they can "grow in it" and use it later to pvp in.

I have been playing eve way before PLEX noobs and creditcard warriors.


But again look at the actual level 3 fits I posted. For a noob with ****** cap skills a T2 cap rig is extremly useful along with 2 t1 armor rigs (that you later can afford to destroy) and it's easy to sell when you go to bigger ships.


Last fit is all t1 rigs...

Of course perma armortank with perma ab is all about signature tanking and BC are perfect for that, they have both the buffer and the size for it.
M'pact
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-02-28 16:23:40 UTC
Antera Deninard wrote:
M'pact wrote:
The Vexor should be enough to run all Level 2 missions.

The Myrmidon is essentially a heavy Vexor, and is meant for Level 3 missions.

I used to drive a Myrmidon to solo Level 4 missions to make them more challenging (on a different character). I never found a Level 4 that I couldn't solo with the Myrmidon. It has an awesome perma-tank ability.



Can you tell me your ship build?

This was around five or six years ago, but I'll try.

Also note that the ship has changed -- it has 25m3 more drone bandwidth now, but it had one more high slot back then.

[Myrmidon, Perma-Tank]

Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1

That's what I started with (using Meta 4 modules until I skilled up enough to use T2) and I remember eventually removing one of the Armor Hardeners in favor of a Gyrostabilizer for more damage output. I don't think there were Drone Damage Amplifiers back then.

Switch Armor Hardeners depending on what the mission demands. See Eve-Survival for that.

Tactics: Warp into mission, activate one repper and wait half a cycle, activate second repper, activate burner, find an object to head towards and align to it, launch drones, lock targets, fire guns and tell drones to attack. You speed tank some of the damage, and whatever actually hit you are able to tank easily.

When I finally do make an impact on this universe, it will reverberate across the entirety of it, and no one will be able to truthfully claim they don't know me. - -

Until then, I'll just sit quietly over here, minding my own business...
Asp IV
Apex Abyss
#10 - 2015-02-28 16:39:54 UTC
M'pact wrote:
Antera Deninard wrote:
[quote=M'pact]The Vexor should be enough to run all Level 2 missions.

The Myrmidon is essentially a heavy Vexor, and is meant for Level 3 missions.

I used to drive a Myrmidon to solo Level 4 missions to make them more challenging (on a different character). I never found a Level 4 that I couldn't solo with the Myrmidon. It has an awesome perma-tank ability.


.


Yeah that fit is way outdated.

Wrong it got nerfed and has less Bandwith now it used to field a full set a of heavies and sentries

Your version is fine for 6 years ago, missions was way harder. Now your lowslots are just
plain overtanked esp for l3...

Level 3 and 4 missions has now been nerfed heavily (along with bounties)


You save on the tank so you can fit more drone damage mods.


Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-02-28 16:48:08 UTC
Asp IV wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
T2 armour rigs, deadspace reppers and sig tanking in a BC?

That's about as non-newbro friendly as you can get.





Try to read the actual post next time, instead of blurting out nonsense.

These fits works with meta4 and t1 rigs also. That's what you get when you actually use the ships bonus.

The fit you mention is with one single c-type. (omgerd 80 mil!!). That is the Level 4 fit,

The other ones are 2 different l3 fits that the OP is asking about.. Also t2 rigs are actually affordable and very easy to fit now. Wake up it' s not 2013 anymore. People with **** skills buy plex to jump in a pirates BS so getting decent tank rigs on your myrm is cheaper and they can "grow in it" and use it later to pvp in.

I have been playing eve way before PLEX noobs and creditcard warriors.


But again look at the actual level 3 fits I posted. For a noob with ****** cap skills a T2 cap rig is extremly useful along with 2 t1 armor rigs (that you later can afford to destroy) and it's easy to sell when you go to bigger ships.


Last fit is all t1 rigs...

Of course perma armortank with perma ab is all about signature tanking and BC are perfect for that, they have both the buffer and the size for it.





All of your fits are really suboptimal though. They all are based on flying around at 400m/s at targets instead of hitting things from the warp in.

Art of Explosions
Antera Deninard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-02-28 17:30:12 UTC
Asp IV wrote:
This runs l4 without problem. Very noobfriendly
Switch out the 80 mil c-type armor rep with t2 as long as you have Gallente BC V. Also t2 rigs can very easily be switch to t1 without problem if you use Implant and have Gall BC V.


[Myrmidon, ab signature perma l4 tank kite and Brawl]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Energized Adaptive Nano Membane
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Medium Micro Jump Drive
10MN Afterburner II

Drone Link Augmentor II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Berserker II x3
Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x5
Warrrior II x5

Javelin M x10000
Spike M x10000


Or the l3 version tried and tested go with 2 mission specific armor hardner if you don know how to keep transversal and range/signature tank. Uses fast drones (minmatar) and ups the dps with Drone nav computers.
...


[Myrmidon, Drones L3 perma ab ]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II
10MN Afterburner II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Valkyrie II x5
Warrior I x5
Acolyte II x5

Javelin M x10000
Spike M x10000

Close up and personal l3 fit. Keep at range and kill off frigs and melt face on cruisers, bc and the odd Battleship.


[Myrmidon, Drones L3 jump in melt face]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Medium Micro Jump Drive
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Valkyrie II x5
Warrior I x5
Acolyte II x5

Null x5000
Void x5000


All set ups are exploiting sig tank with Perma Afterburning and Perma rep. Of course you can fit all kinds of guns on a myrm so use the weapon system that you've have most skills in, But medium rails are very good now before upcoming nerf with ROF and the approximated 7,5% damage decrease. ;)

Cheap implants
Zor cheap as hell implant 10% AB duration.
MM 803 3% hybrid medium turret damage
SS 903 3% damage to all turrets



how i switch between this drones ( i mean in what conditions should i use them each of type) ?

Valkyrie II x5
Warrior I x5
Acolyte II x5
Paranoid Loyd
#13 - 2015-02-28 17:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
I agree with Suki, having your drones fly to the target is not efficient. It is much faster to use sentry drones.

That being said Asp's fits are much more "fun" to fly, but lets be honest the fun only lasts so long. You run missions to make isk or gain standing, again the fun is only temporary. IMO the goal should be to run them as efficiently as possible so you can do other things.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#14 - 2015-03-01 19:44:38 UTC
Navy Vexor and then skip up to the Domi. YMMV, but I found the Myrm had a very short time span of usefulness for PvE.