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This is a good suggestion. The only reason I knew I was getting data during my testing was to keep checking the properties of the SC folder.

Should it be on the launcher, the client, or both?

Quick question, when DOD is deployed will we have the option to download some nice new high definition nebulae as an upgrade to the we ones we have now.

I love the look and feel of eve particularly by region, but higher definition is a must for these backdrops.

Also it also paves the way to have nebula tailored to each particular star system instead of per region.

I'll happily pay extra to fund this type of artwork as an enhanced monthly subscription.

I'm aware that despite inflation and the recession my monthly sub hasn't gone up since I started around 2007-2008 perhaps it's time it saw a raise.

Ok. A complete reinstall of the duality.
Remove d:\...\EveDuality, remove d:\ProgramData\Eve*, also remove %appData%\ccp\eve\*duality*

Even after shutting down all eve sessions and launchers and attempting to re-install from EVE_Online_Installer_852537.exe, I get freezes during the initial installer process (Hitting next? after accepting licence agreement). Rebooting PC seems to solve this.

After installing, set /server on a new shortcut.
create another copy of duality's folder so I now have duality and duality2

Fire off duality1. Immediately turn crash it because I forgot log server
Start logserver from primary Duality install

Fire of duality 1 again

Read https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Log_Server, and from log server start file -> new workspace
(nothing appearing, am I doing it right?)

Duality loads 323.41 MB of data and sits at 100% for a minute or 2?

I check the resource download setting, noting it has remembered my previous session preference (so obviously not a 100% clean install, but I am ok with that)

Fire off duality #2 session. It doesnt seem to need to redownload stuff (nice)

log into both duality #1 and duality #2 Log server starts going nuts (good)

both launchers swap between launching and back to play (local time 12:58)

2 eve windows start but are 'not responding'

Log server shows 2 crash dumps uploaded
Log server shows a whole lot of resources being downloaded

after a couple of minutes I click again on one of the eve windows and I get a black fullscreen window. Alt tab a couple of times (mostly to update these notes - and I am a little impatient) and tab back and get a character selection window (no portraits - but thats ok at this point)

Resize window to a couple of configurations ; everything Ok

Click on second eve session and get a black screen but this time much shorter.

1:04 click on 1 pilot from each session and get black windows for about 30 seconds; and windows nag about allowing network traffic.
1:06 : 'smoke effects' showing on eve session 2. presented with 2 docked windows and everything black
1:08 : eve session 2 starts having a flashing set of lights . Eventually both windows show up

(so maybe 3.5 minutes of an unusable black screen when I first start? Would be a good time to show a movie or tutorial, or something to inform/distract user while resources are loading)

Open up market and get 'no messageId for a couple of marget groups (plex; Moongoo??) screenshot

undock at the same time (still at default resolution, I will dial this down later)

Autopilot search for a system fails
setting Autopilot from personal assets works
While stuffing around with autopilot settings something flashed up on session 2. The background nebula in Bei loaded?

maximise window 2 : freeze starts 1:17 local
unfreezes 1:18 but ... probalby was 10 seconds?
Get stopwatch app on phone. Restore window. this time was freeze for 2 seconds
reszize window width : no problems
Resize window height : freezes for 11 seconds (from stopwatch)
Can now resize window 2 without any freezes
can also resize window 1 without any freezes

set auto pilot to dock. Dockup.
Session 1 docks first (bei Vi moon 8?): again getting grey smoke for a while (subjective 30? seconds) before station background shows up
session 2 docks up : also gets grey smoke, this time roughly stop watch time of 30 seconds before station background shows up.
(all stations are new to client)
Undock client 1; dock client 1. Station background loads immediately

undock client 1, dock at different station (Bei planet 7 moon 8). Still have a brief 'grey smoke on back blackground) but 2? seconds (longer than at previous station but still ok)

dock client 2 at the same station as client 1 currently in (bei P7M8) takes 1:30 for station background to load.
undock. redock. station background takes 1:00 for to reload

log off both sessions

Try to workout what data I have captured with the logserver (and partially fail) and worry that I lost some usefull stuff regarding the resizing issue.

Copy screenshots and what logfile server info I have into google drive https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1HsU_rOxWl4MTdyMjcySUZHc2s&usp=sharing

True.

Nice notes.

Not having character portraits is a bigger issue then you think it is.

My experience:

Setting up was difficult because I was using a duality named file for my current Sisi install.

Portraits missing on selection screen. No auto load at this stage?
Created a new character. Really needs a loading icon on the way to the race selection screen like between the selection and character creator steps.

Is the database not connected to duality? Portraits still not showing up after the system did not load like normal.

Captains Quarters required a switch to hanger and back to get the high rez render.

Duality is not current to current TQ version of the UI fixes.

Allot of the Tutorial icon bugs are active on TQ however. Some of the icons have bot been changed to see thru yet.

Perhaps some OS experts will chime in, but given how self contained EVE is a simple directory and icon delete is probably all that is needed to remove an EVE test install. Let the OS clean up any link foo later on.

So i tried this on Linux


Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon 64-bit
PlayOnLinux 4.2.2 / Wine 1.7.33 (32-bit)

Created a new wine prefix

• Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 v8.0.56336
• Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 v10.0.40219
• Wine Mono 4.5.4
• Wine Gecko (32-bit) 2.34

Installed without problems.

start up LogServer
start up eve.exe /server:87.237.38.60
launcher downloads 329.75 MB
log in, click "Play"
EvE starts up,
character selection pops up
select character, black screen for about 18sec - station interior loads

undock, black screen for about 7 sec
dock, docked without problems
undock, grid loads normally
warp to top asteroid belt
~10 sec to load asteroids after exiting warp
kill a few belt rats, wrecks load ~2 sec
warp to second asteroid belt, asteroids load almost instantly
warp to another station, loading finishes while exiting warp
warp to another station, loading finishes while exiting warp
set destination to Jita from personal assets
warp to gate, loading gate textures finishes while exiting warp
jump, Traffic Control, retry, Jump sound delayed by 2-3 sec
warp to next gate, gate already loaded
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warp to next gate, loading finishes before exiting warp,
jump, planets load after 1-2 sec
warp to next gate, loading gate textures finishes while exiting warp
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warp to station, loading station textures finishes while exiting warp
dock, black screen for ~7 sec, station interior loads
look at a few ship previews from ISIS
loading ship model and textures for each ship took 3 to 6 sec
open market browser, loading icons under 1 sec
view character portrait, portrait not loaded
view full body, loading took about 17 sec
open fitting window, loading ship background took about 2 sec
end session, "drive_c/users/Public/Application Data/CCP/EVE/SharedCache" contains 14431 items, totalling 1,8 GB


Game client seems to run just fine and the wait for assets to download is not so bad, however the launcher crashes every time i try to open the launcher settings.


Connection Speed
15Mb/s Down 1,5Mb/s Up

LogServer
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1412/Duality_DoD_2014.12.21.zip

Hi,

I tested the client on demand last week for about a week .
I let the installer use the proposed paths.
I went through this thread and I found out that my errors have already been reported here so I'm not repeating stuff that's already been reported here.
I got the error with the missing texts for certain elements (only MessageID xxxxx was displayed)
Looks like a missing or unlinked text table.
A little annoying on Duality was that every market needed to reopen and every jump gate need to activate before using it.
This can take quite a while when flying from Jascheris to B-R5RB (the monument took a moment to download).
Someone set the prices to 100 ISK for almost everything , so that I could use different ships (about 10) and check
if they downloaded correctly and fast enough, they did.

Overall my test was conclusive , the client and the missing parts downloaded fairly quickly and the client reacted quite rapidly
(even when using it through wine 1.6 (used with PlayonLinux on Ubuntu 14.04 64bit )
My download / upload speed is about 100/5 Mbit/s (cable)
I had even the impression that due to its smaller size the Eve client performed better on wine and had less crashes
even when full and high resolution was activated.

I'm looking forward to this feature in the new release.

Just my 5 ISK, hopefully someone will find this useful.


Cheers
Blaze

Because of, reasons.

But in all seriousness, i can see some upsides to it. Lets say in the old system that the devs want to add a special secret event that will happen at the busiest time when the most players are playing.

In the old system they have to update everyone their client during the latest downtime with the content for the event, without revealing too much in the patch note what the update is for. But along comes some technical smartypants () who takes a look at the changed files, takes them apart (keep in mind, my technical coding/hacking experience is not so big, so i have no idea if this actually is possible) and sees what ccp wants to do at the special event and decides to be a jackass and post it on the forums.

With this new system something like that would not be possible, since the event could (in theory) only made available only minutes before the actual even happens, and only to those people in the vicinity.

Also its a silent wish of me that this could potentially mean that Eve Online gets support from online game streaming services like Onlive and Gakai, to name a few. Again, no experience in this field, but i can see that it potentially might make things easier to make the game more ready for those systems.

Another effort to solve a problem that's really not that much of a problem...
In a time where disk space and download speeds are better than ever.
5-10 years ago; it would have been awesome.

Personally, I always prefer having it all downloaded before I start playing a game. When I play a game, delays are worse than when not playing. I can have some coffee or play something else while downloading and updating goes on. Or work, or sleep. Or watch TV, whatever. It's like starting to drink the coffee before it's hot. Or watch a streaming movie with stutter because it takes to much time to put the DVD in...

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Today I have separate installs for each separate account. That works great. It also means I can use a nice BATCH file to automatically backup up all the little settings that won't save to servers for each account. Which I also transfer over to my laptop, so I don't have to do every change "# accounts * 2". That saves a lot of time and effort. I use the "/end /LUA:OFF" options.

I have different color schemes for the separate accounts, to visibly show me which character I'm playing , as I may switch between them. This works worse now since the latest changes BTW, as the mandatory color schemes are few, weaker and fairly similar. This also means every account login page has the correct account name as default. Means logging in is much faster, as you seem to be concerned with saving minutes of time for the users.

Question time: Will this new "feature" ruin any of that?

Out of topic but related (rant): All settings to a game, every game, should be in a folder called "SETTINGS" in the game folder proper. Saves should be in a folder called "SAVES". Same for applications. How hard is that?? Easy to find, backup and transfer between computers. The way it is now, files are all over the place, and it's extremely illogical, madness and evil. How many hours do we all spend finding save locations and settings? How much hair has been pulled as settings and savedata gets lost when reinstalling or getting a new computer? Or having to do everything over again for laptop use? How many times and hours should I spend getting my EVE windows and UI the way I want it?

Whatever team at Microsoft that thought up the existing solution, with settings and saves being part of a cryptic registry and/or way inside some hidden folders on the C: drive, roaming data, appdata, userdata, programdata etc should be taken to the court in Hague and hanged for crimes against humanity. DOS did that better... And it was probably the same team that got us Windows Vista and the Windows 8.0 UI anyway, so good riddance!

As stated elsewhere, you could also use symlinks instead of multiple installs for storing your settings as EVE recognizes the symlinks as separate directories.