EVE New Citizens Q&A

Fit for tank, not yield.
Skiff is the new Hulk (as in, what to use in 0.0 space if you mine) as I understand it.

And look for industrial corps in null sec in the recruitement forum. Also, search all the other umpteen and a half threads on the same theme in this forum.

1) learning skills are gone. If you had trained any of those, you should have a credit for the SP, just waiting to be spent on other skills.

2) Tiericide: Once upon a time, ships were suck->just okay->good. Now ships are role based. Firgs are like Prober, Remote Rep, missile boat, gun boat. None is "better", just have different roles.

3) IF you want to mine then there is a clear progression of ships. Venture mining frigate (2 lasers that mine like 4 due 100% yield role bonus) -> mining barge -> exhumer (t2 barge).

4) Putting 2 and 3 together, the barges and exhumers now have roles. 1 has strong tank and aligns/warps quickly, 1 has giant hold good for solo mining, 1 has max yield (though weak tank, slow and small hold).

5) Missioning can pay much more ISK than mining right now.

6) Nothing has been done about cloaky camping. So, you work and work to get your null system upgraded, and then a cloaky campers shows up. You have to sit in station because of the risk of a co ops cyno. There is no offense possible to drive the camper away, and no defense possible against the cov ops cyno.

Null ores are worth about the same as high sec ores, except Omber which sucks, and when you figure you're stuck camped into station much of the time, Null ends up being WAY less profitable than high sec.

7) A corp called CODE likes to gank high sec miners, then demand that you pay them to be allowed to mine in high sec.

8) Max refine is now no longer possible. Mineral content of ore was bumped up, but return from refine lowered to maintain balance. Worst refine is in high sec station, then POS, then null outpost has best. Again, the slight boost in refine does not make up for the lost productivity due to cloaky camping.

Show me the killmail where the evil hotdropper kill you.
Also, go next system.

It is not just hot drop. They can uncloak, point, bump, etc. while their friends log in, jump in, etc.

I don't have kill mails because I'm not stupid enough to undock in a mining ship when there is a cloaky camper in system.

Go to next? Because all systems have industry upgrades, outposts, refining facilities.... because we're not limited to which systems we're allowed to use by rental/holder agreements. Because hauling through gates doesn't make you less profitable, because the cloaky won't catch you moving the ore back to the upgraded outpost where you need to unload it.

Another person with NO CLUE about null mining chirping up about it.

Cloaky camping shuts down entire solar systems, and there is no Offense (can't find them) or defense that is effective against the tactic. It is nuke bomb introduced into a game of rock, paper, scissors. THE only thing that can be done about cloaky camping is to stay in high sec. Until something is done about cloaky camping, null mining will not be as profitable as high sec, becasue you have to factor in all the time you can't even undock.

Mining is not all that profitable. If you like doing it then do it but if you are looking for a good way to make isk early on while getting comfortable with the game missions is probably better. That being said and similar to what other's have said the progression through minning ships is fairly strait forward.

As far as minning in null versus high sec, null is definitely more profitable. Not because of the ore types but because of the roid size and Rorqual boosts.

You should train skills that you think you will use so if you plan to mine in the future then mine now but if you think that you will be more combat focused in the future then train for that now and make your isk doing combat.

For mining: skill into a Skiff to begin (if you 'show info' on the item in the markeplace there is a tab for the required skills). Skill for a Strip Miner 1 and Laser Upgrade 1. Then I suggest you quit training mining specific skills until you are sure you like it and want to get more efficient at it. Time put into tank, navigation & engineering skills will be useful no matter what activities you end up going towards.

For hauling, I guess the shortest path is to a Nereus. I think hauling puts your ship at risk for not very much money. Deep Space Transport followed by Freighter would be the steps up the hauling ladder, but both are pretty long trains for a new player.

You might also investigate Exploration. It would give you some skills that would be useful in a WH or learning your way around low/null.