EVE General Discussion

Haha, fair enough, I thought some people might take it that way. I guess I was trying to say 'don't make isk your focus' not 'don't earn isk'. They might seem like they cancel each other out if the focus is on isk, but if the focus is on having fun they end up being guidelines for an attitude to have towards in game wealth.

By focusing on isk I think people do 3 things:

Focus on activities that generate the best isk/hour.
Try their hardest to avoid losses.
Fly the most expensive thing they can to get the extra 1% isk/hour. (and because they're flying expensive things people try even harder to avoid losses)

If isk isn't the focus and instead we make fun the focus we can change these three to:

Focus on activities that generate the most fun/hour.
Not worry too much about losses. (who cares when you're having fun)
Fly whatever happens to be available at the time. (it's still possible to have fun in cheaper fits)


I will concede though that most players do end up needed to find an activity to make isk at some point, I just recommend new players don't focus too much on it.

Advice to new players: This is like a journey with no destination. There are waypoints. There are milestones. You're never going to "get there." This means enjoy the ride. Don't get caught up so much in what you wish you could do, or what others say you must do (even what you see others doing that you can't) that you don't enjoy what you are doing.

What you are doing is as important, elite, meta what have you as what anyone else is doing. It's where you are. Take it in. Savor it for what it is. Don't be in a rush. You have nothing but time. That is not to say there's not ways to spend time efficiently and wisely. What do we do in life? We learn.

Experience teaches us. Others do, too. Don't expect to know what you haven't learned yet, or to be what you've yet to become. If you aren't enjoying it, do something else for a while, or rethink your approach and redirect. DO NOT AGONIZE OVER THIS. It's a game. Have fun with it.

Don't listen to anyone who says you can't do something.

Take no-one else word for whether you will enjoy something.

If you find yourself waiting for anything, ask yourself if you really need what you are waiting for to do what you want. If your answer is yes, ask someone else, since you are probably wrong.

Don't take it personally. By all, means, someone wrongs you, get even , but don't take it personally.

its actually quite good advice, when i started the game my intention was to not do the whole grinding stuff and forcus on just enjoying the game and if i needed isk i would just buy plex, allbeit i took over 150 deaths before even killing a t1 frigate in fw on my 1mil sp toon, it was frustrating but i was in it for the long haul because it was fun. i then decided to buy a new toon when i was at around 4mil sp, so i bought a 42mil sp toon and i dont regret it at all, its pretty much eliminated every core skill i needed to train and i can focus on training up other stuff which is more fun.

I am still terrible at eve and player skill is very important but sp plays a big part in it also in regards to tank and dps and what you can and cant fit on a ship, i started getting kills on day 1 of owning a higher sp toon compared to a 1/150 kill death ratio on a low sp toon. being able to fly a variety of ships within nullsecs ever changing doctrines is also a bonus.

If you are planning to stay playing the best thing you can do is buy a toon which has all your core skills done, then you can focus on learning how to fly the ships without getting bored and frustrated of never getting any kills.

dont think you read it properly so ill requote it for you "If you are planning to stay playing" it does get a bit frustrating playing a game for a few months and just losing everything and never getting a kill, i bought a toon and didnt quit after 6months and im sure alot of others have done the same, im also sure alot have quit because veterans just own them constantly and skills are an issue and having to train skills for 3 years just to fly one of those big ships with big guns. so whats your point?

But that is going to depend on the kind of person you are. Some folks want to get into the thick of it and fighting, and are going to balk at having to skill up to a certain level. For those sorts of players, buying a character is probably the best route.

But, I for one, am a player who likes to build from scratch, who gets fulfillment from achieving milestones and unlocking new avenues of gameplay. For me, buying a character scythes out a huge chunk of what gives me enjoyment. If I could hop into a HAC on day one, it wouldn't have given me half the thrill that my first months in a Zealot gave me when I finally knuckled down and squared away Amarr Cruiser 5 so I could fly in the AHAC fleets. Likewise, my Revelation was indeed a revelation when I was finally able to sit in one, and I still get a little smile when I undock it because I earned it.

Maybe I'm a little masochistic in that regard, but it is how I get my enjoyment. After all, I skilled up my Supercarrier alt from scratch when the general advice is to buy those kind of alts, but there was no way I wanted someone else to name my Supercarrier pilot. It took two years, but since it took me that long to gather the funds (I am easily distracted by Pirate Battleships), in the end it didn't matter (I honestly don't know whether using the money I had paid on sub for the second account for PLEX would have bought me a character suitable to fly it).

So, to me this falls in the category of not telling newbies they have to do something. Depending on the player, the advice to buy a character might equally rescue them from a part of the game they loathe, or drive any sense of enjoyment out of the game for them. Offer the alternative, don't paint it a must-do.

sorry didnt really mean it to sound like a "must do" obviously people do as they want, fair play if you build from scratch if you dont mind waiting the amount of time it takes to fly stuff, i guess i fall into your first category, i was probably impatient or maybe it was going to bigger pvp corps too early where demand for t3's and t2's were sort of mandatory.

I just wanted to give myself a small boost in skills once i got the hang of the game, didnt want something super high skilled just something where i have the scope to fly alot of ships but also the scopr to mould into my own char and take my own approach.

Enjoy yourself, enjoy your time.

The advice above regarding joining corps/groups that YOU enjoy the company of, should neither be overlooked nor under-stated.

Les

Im not saying its bad advice as such, Im just saying that theres more than one point of view.

You want to play EvE like a competitive fighting game where your character is only a sock you wear on your hand as you fly your ship about.

To me, its more about the character, who they are, why they are here and what they do.

But I guess most people would be happier just to do away with such out moded concepts as characters and backgrounds and the whole RP element of a MMORPG

Though if people want combat, I have no idea why they would choose EvE in the first place. Its not exactly the best engine for it.

Have a Goal

The best advice I can give. You need to find something you want to do in EVE. Otherwise you just wither away. A Goal, your own Endgame.

A goal to focus your efforts on. EVE is sandbox and your choice are almost limitless. You can be a savy trader, a solo pvper, a Titian pilot. You can FC a 200 man fleet. You can be a spy, and sell information. You can work your away into a huge alliance and shut it down stealing everything nailed to the floor. You can start a Mercenary Corp and take contracts and be the hammer for someone who can not be.

All you need to do is find it, and EVE suddenly opens up.

Friends, and Trust

These are THE most important commodities in EvE. It's not ISK, or ships. It's who you can trust, who will go to bat for you, and people who will stick by you without breaking.