Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Something like small/medium "gun clusters"?

BS sized turrets that spot the damage of say, 3x small guns (cause it would look like there is a "cluster" of small guns on the large turret hardpoint) with the tracking of a small gun? Maybe mediums (if there were mediums) would be 2x medium gun "clusters" per large hardpoint?

Of course the numbers would need to be balanced out but why not the same love launchers got?

I talked about this like a year ago.
Th duals and quads would be nice if the used smaller ammo and such.
Like rapid lights and heavys

would be interesting but you run into problem when you look at how to balance them, you could balance them with long reload times like RLM/RHM but when you look at energy turrets that have no reload time at all, Do you impose a reload time for energy turrets or just make them require a LOAD of cap? Using a lot of cap doesn't really limit them either as someone could fit to have more cap and therefore more shots.

but yeah interesting idea so +1

Personally I like this. Mostly because of MORE DAKKA, but this could open interesting possibilities. Recently I posted about a new T2 battleship type, one focused on fleet protection. Imagine a battleship (not neccesarily these ones) that fits rapid fire turrets, sacrificing firepower against other large ships but being more efficient at blowing up smaller targets, like an AA vessel.

Maybe, rather than being front-loaded DPS with long reloads as rapid missiles are, these rapid turrets could be just like several smaller turrets put together, with slightly increased range, and have the same ammo/cap consumption several of the original small turrets would have. For example, 4 rapid turrets with 2 small railguns on each would consume as much ammo and cap as 8 small railguns.

+1

I'd have to disagree a little with you there. You are forgetting signature resolution, which impacts directly your tracking. If you up tracking enough to overcome the smaller size of ships a class below your actual class, you make its tracking too strong against its own class and above.

BS sized weapons can already one-shot frigs and obliterate cruisers in some circumstances. Medium-sized weapons are well known to pop small targets.
Missiles lacked this opportunity so "Rapid" systems were introduced. While more variety is good, downsized turrets will actually hurt complexity as it will make turrets and missiles to similar.

I agree not all weapon systems need to be the same, but I don't think these rapid turrets would violate that rule, if they are made differently.

My concept of them is the following. Instead of being able to deal high DPS in a short time before having a long reload while being able to apply this damage effectively to smaller ships (as rapid missiles work), I envision this turrets working not much differently from their smaller counterparts, while taking advantage of being fitted onto a much larger ship:

- Each one is composed of several instances of the smaller weapon they're based on (for example, quadruple 125mm AC). Damage output should be comparable to that number of smaller weapons (quadruple 125mm AC would be similar, maybe slightly less, than 4x 125mm AC). Same tracking. Range should also be comparable, so that a large ship with this kind of weapon wouldn't have a range advantage over a small ship with the same kind of weapon (as happens with rapid missiles).

- As such, when fired, they consume as much ammo and cap as that number of smaller weapons (same example, 4 times the ammo of a single 125mm AC, or 4 times the cap of a similar laser, and so on). Magazine size and reload times are the same as the original small weapon, since they're simply several of them stacked together.

- They would have CPU and PW comparable to weapons the size of the ship they're made for, as rapid missile launchers do: for example, the quadruple 125mm AC would have similar fitting requeriments to those of the 220mm AC, if it is a medium-sized weapon, or those of the 425mm AC, if it is a large weapon.

This way, the purpose of these turrets would not be to deal front-loaded DPS (as rapid missiles can do), but to allow a large ship to dedicate itself to shoot down smaller ships that come into range, converting it into a "fleet protection" role, while sacrificing its capabilities against other large ships, but keeping its usual tank and speed.

This could help battleships to be more desired into fleets: if you are willing to sacrifice firepower on your battleship, you could help the fleet defend itself against frigates, by essentially becoming an AA platform with battleship-sized tank (and speed). For me, this opens a lot of interesting possibilities, rather than simply making missiles and turrets too similar.


[sorry OP for somehow taking over your topic]

They would have to be only dual smalls other wise it would be op. Dual meds before ship bonus's would give ~1400 dps. Quad smalls would give about 2k dps before ship bonus's.

if the problem is already fixed by just fitting smaller weapons then there is no need to add anything else.....

The problem isn't, because of ship bonuses. (Which apparently are wonky for guns already on the smallest size turrets.).
Cruisers all get bonuses to RLML and BS to RHML now. (A couple of exceptions still I 'think' which make no sense even then). Only BC don't get the bonuses.

This could quite easily be done to all guns.