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Eve Tounament first price is 6,5 Trillion isk, too much?
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Pelle Wittewoa
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-02-23 16:27:23 UTC
25 cruizerhulls and 25 frigathulls, worth 50*130b (yah they sell for that) = 6,5 tril

In Euro's @ 1b=15Eu (easy calculating) = 6500*15eu= 97.500 Euro


Whats people's opinion on this?
Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#2 - 2015-02-23 16:38:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Winters Chill
Its actually worth zero. Unless you commit some form of intellectual property theft.

Legally, in eve, all you ever do is pay for a service. Those items are NEVER actually yours.

Ever.

End of story.

That being said, there is a rough mecahnism for determining real world value, which is a handy marketting and epeenage swelling tool.

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Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2015-02-23 16:49:54 UTC
While the curmudgeon above is technically correct, those ships still hold a monetary value in conversion rates, as you can work out the value of the ships and convert that into PLEX (which has an established value).

Personally, I have no qualms about ships of that value being put up for prize winning.

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Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#4 - 2015-02-23 17:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Winters Chill
Arline Kley wrote:
curmudgeon above is technically correct,


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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#5 - 2015-02-23 17:09:58 UTC
You need to go with the insurance payout to get the real ISK value and then you need to go with the rock bottom prices of illicit RMT to convert it into real cash. Then the first prize looks much more reasonable.

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-02-23 17:11:11 UTC
Winters Chill wrote:
Its actually worth zero. .


Not if it is used to add game time to your account.

6,500,000,000,000 / 800,000,000 (current average PLEX price)
= 8125

8125 / 12 = 677.1

So it is 677 years worth of game time. Unless I messed up on the math. What?
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#7 - 2015-02-23 17:11:36 UTC
If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#8 - 2015-02-23 17:32:27 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Winters Chill wrote:
Its actually worth zero. .


Not if it is used to add game time to your account.

6,500,000,000,000 / 800,000,000 (current average PLEX price)
= 8125

8125 / 12 = 677.1

So it is 677 years worth of game time. Unless I messed up on the math. What?


This is a good point. If you are currently paying for eve with real money, and/or buying PLEX to fund in-game activities, that prize is worth a huge savings in possible future real world expenses.

One thing to think about: If you sell the asset, the market price will drop. So using present prices is not very accurate.

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Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#9 - 2015-02-23 17:42:37 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year?

I think you are mistaking CODE for the IRS.
Not too far-fetched of a mistake.
Vyl Vit
#10 - 2015-02-23 20:35:12 UTC
OP - I think your math is a little off.

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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-02-23 20:45:20 UTC
Your math is flawed. SOME Sell for that, but most aren't going to be sold at all, or at well below that.
Additionally, they are spread out over multiple individuals on the team (and sometimes beyond that, like if they were given isk to prepare).

Not only that, several of the high-tier AT Teams have their own stockpiles of Existing AT Prize Ships for use.. Which they risk and can at times lose.. We have had several Etana's die, Adrestia's, a plethora of the various frigs including 3 Malice's during the first NEO..

Is it a lot of potential isk? Yes, But it's also a Huge investment for most of the good teams, not just isk for ships and such, but in practices, forming stratifies, theory-crafting, etc.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-02-23 20:48:40 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year?

what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-02-23 20:56:32 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year?

what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to.


I just fill in the value of all the assets I actually own.

$0.00

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#14 - 2015-02-23 21:01:27 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year?

what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to.


I just fill in the value of all the assets I actually own.

$0.00


Lies, the EULA states clearly that once you pay 15 dollars one time, everything you own in EVE is yours forever.

(I didn't say WHICH EULA, it's not the CCP one, it's the one I just wrote on this here napkin, it will so stand up in an Icelandic court!)
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-02-23 21:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
Jenn aSide wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year?

what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to.


I just fill in the value of all the assets I actually own.

$0.00


Lies, the EULA states clearly that once you pay 15 dollars one time, everything you own in EVE is yours forever.

(I didn't say WHICH EULA, it's not the CCP one, it's the one I just wrote on this here napkin, it will so stand up in an Icelandic court!)


DOUBLE LIES! THE EUAL I WROTE SAYS I OWN EVERYTHING YOU OWN, ONLY I CAN OWN IT DOUBLE BETTER TNAN YOU SO THERER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, the IRS is pretty stupid. At this point. they are basically trying to justify why they continue to exist. Sort of like the Electoral College.

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Serene Repose
#16 - 2015-02-23 21:30:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year?

what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to.


I just fill in the value of all the assets I actually own.

$0.00


Lies, the EULA states clearly that once you pay 15 dollars one time, everything you own in EVE is yours forever.

(I didn't say WHICH EULA, it's not the CCP one, it's the one I just wrote on this here napkin, it will so stand up in an Icelandic court!)

You so funny!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2015-02-23 23:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Garnoo
Pelle Wittewoa wrote:
25 cruizerhulls and 25 frigathulls, worth 50*130b (yah they sell for that) = 6,5 tril

In Euro's @ 1b=15Eu (easy calculating) = 6500*15eu= 97.500 Euro


Whats people's opinion on this?


same every year...
do you realize there are hundrets of trillionares (not RMT guys)? no big deal... you can convert $->ISK (plex) not the opposite way (unless you want Icelandic Krona) Roll

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Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#18 - 2015-02-24 11:46:11 UTC
65 New titans or 325 moms is an awesome price! You could actually suicide those in an all-in cap battle with your enemy and still come out on top!
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-02-24 11:51:43 UTC
Winters Chill wrote:
Its actually worth zero. Unless you commit some form of intellectual property theft.

Legally, in eve, all you ever do is pay for a service. Those items are NEVER actually yours.

Ever.

End of story.


Woohoo. Can we like make a picture of this post and post it at the top of every killboard/Eve related website and stop comparing ISK to real world currency?
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-02-24 14:43:47 UTC
You could, but let's face it, people who care about kill board states wouldn't stop stroking their epeen long enough to read it.

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