Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Everybody knows that eve torunaments is the only place for fair PvP where winning goes to more skillfull teams.

I'd like CCP to make some tournament tools for players. So players can make their own tournaments.
Let it be a system in empire with station. Let torunament admin make deadspace location that cannot be scanned. Only admin can give roles for participants to warp there. something like that i think. Also there must be some observer tools for broadcasting that tournaments.
Why CCP doesn't do that. Players will make new content by themselvs. Why CCP holding everything in their hands..
Such ability will make eve much more popular. capsuleers are ready to donate isks for such tournaments. Also observer tool must include ability to see modules of each pilot. How much it burned, on wich ship modules activated and so on. People will make a show on that. Why dont you (CCP) working on that?

Also there must be a tournament grid tool on eve website for that. Please think about that.

Define "fair."
Define "skillful."

The Alliance Tournament is anything but "fair" in the traditional sense. And winning it has nothing to do with being "more skillful."

Matches are won or lost based on who brought a setup that can counter another setup (which can be learned through spying, bribery, or subterfuge).
Setups that can't counter each other tend to be "turtle" matches where the only way to win is through sheer luck and/or by outlasting the "other side."

Basically... it is a metagame where your ability to outthink and prepare for an opponent (before you even undock) decides whether you win or lose.

This guy gets it.

This is silly if you want to do that do it like the rest of us and do it with the tools you have available. Also welcome to EVE, there's warfare, not warfair, skill is in any combat situation but some factors will reduce the need for it. Good pilots's are just as much a force multiplier like Links, Logis and EWAR.

-everyone starts with a pod, a small amount of pre trained skills and the same small handful of isk. That's where the 'fair fight', and in fact all forms of competition in this game, started.

-tournaments can and do happen.

-But here is some reading.

you already have all the tools you need

i'm not asking that for myself, but for EVE. CCP should be first who interested in it.
I'm streamming PVP roams on twitch for last 3 years. Many people started play EVE through my videos and it's one of most effective ways to bring new people into the game. But the problem is that searching for PVP can take quit long time. That part of gameplay scares away half people.

Whene EVE was created there was no such a fenomenon as streaming. But things are changing in game industry with time and I'm not sure it's correct to say like it's EVE and everything should stay as it is coz we got used to it.
If there were some tools for making a competition and people could make a video content by themselves, then it could bring eve on a new level. People like to watch others compete in games, and after that want to try it. It's a reality of game industry nowadays.

I'm not telling what exact tools it should be. It's not my job to think about it. I'm only telling my ideas.

This sounds like ALL of eve pvp, actually.

And people wonder why I think roaming gangs are a joke.

that was a case of one tool being so beyond more powerful than any others that in order to actually HAVE a viable sandbox, its viability had to be rbought in line with other options.

you children and your "waa waa its not a sandbox if they nerf what I like!" attitude is ridiculous, its CCP's job to make sure the tools work CORRECTLY, the sandbox comes from what you DO with those tools once they are

As someone who has been waiting eagerly for the next SCL for probably more than a year I think that it is not going to happen.

If you are running a good natured in-house honorfest tournament yes you have the tools.

If you want to run an actual COMPETITIVE high-caliber tournament you MUST have an actual environment which enforces the rules automatically and fairly.

It would seem that a lot of people are not involved in competitive tournament stuff so I will state the obvious problems. There are others also.

Start and Stop - This is something that can quickly lead to disagreements. Fights can easily come down to a few seconds and due to client lag and human error it can lead to ugly arguments.

Pre-locking - This cannot be enforced. A logistics locking up their team before a match or beginning locks before the timer starts can give you so much advantage it is not even funny. This needs to be enforced by the arena because there is really no way for player judges to enforce it. This leads to people saying rightly or wrongly that they were locked and bickering and stuff.

Implants - Snake sets and pirate implants can quickly get setups to "god mode". No way to enforce the use of those without some sort of arena tools.

Fitting - Passing the entire fleet through a filter to ensure there is no illegal modules is almost a necessity to keep things going. Yes you can individually scan each ship, add up points manually, and stuff like that but there is a lot of human error and it is slow as heck.

Borders - Yes you can put someone at 0 and watch for border violations. But they are not exactly at 0 and their 125km doesn't necessarily match the pilots view on the situation.

Tie-Breaks - Reverse ti-di and stuff need tools.

Streaming - Having the effects shown on stream is very helpful. Yes the health bars and stuff can be sorta faked.

But the biggest reason is that it REALLY SUCKS to not have these things.

There are a lot of people who love tournaments but there is no "scene" to support that. They get all excited and then it withers and dies due to no tournaments, and no ways to effectively run a match.