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carrier/dread in a c2

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Coelomate
Gilliomate Corp
#21 - 2015-02-19 01:08:09 UTC
1. Eve is a game: Games should be fun. Figuring out how to build a capital in a wormhole is a fun project. The addition of POS compression modules has made it trivially easy - I spreadsheeted it once, and I'm pretty sure you can literally fit a carrier worth of minerals into a deep space transport as long as you math it out properly. And capital blueprint packs are readily available from trade hubs for fair prices.

2. Carriers: This has been well covered. They're great but not I-win buttons. Ever since CCP enabled them to benefit from drone modules they turned into PVE dream boats - but ASSIGN THEM FROM YOUR POS SHIELDS. This has two massive benefits: First, your carrier gets to sit in one of the safest places in all of EVE. Nobody can doomsday it, and your POS guns and EWAR are an almost perfect deterrent to a gank. The second benefit is you can fit your carrier into a carebear dream flagship instead of needing coward tank or coward align modules. Lows full of damage and tracking, mids tracking + drone speed, and then you can be that guy and rig it for drone durability and/or drone speed.

No, you don't need to assign uber fighters to your tengu to rat in a C2. But yes you can, and yes it's funny. See point #1.

3. Dreads: Extremely limited PVE or PVP use in a lowclass hole. I've seen them floating, and really only two reasons come to mind: (1) giant floating monuments (and again, Eve is a game, why not?) and (2) relics from a balls-to-the-wall siege (i.e. an attacker moved in, built the dread, nuked a POS or two, and then mounted the dread on the wall). If you happen to get invaded, a dread actually will be useful for clearing a hostile staging POS - but that's a pretty remote use case.

One other thing though: POS webs are absolutely amazingly unbalanced. A domination stasis webification battery has a 97.5% slow or something stupid like that. It's again a remote/fringe use case, but POS webs theoretically turn a dreadnought into an absolute murder machine.

4. Security: IMO the meta strongly supports hiding low class wormhole caps. They're not an effective deterrent floating, and since everybody knows that, leaving them floating suggests you might be a soft target by overestimating their effectiveness. It also advertises you might be dumb enough to warp it to an anom for ratting, and are at least a little rich, which could bring your hole more attention.

A caveat here: if you put up an extra large ship maintenance array, that's really not much different from leaving floating caps. Leaving them logged off or just being choosey to avoid running out of space in one or two SMAs should draw less attention.

DISCLAIMER: Coelomate isn't great at EVE and has only been living in wormholes since earlier this year.

Love,

~Coelomate

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#22 - 2015-02-19 12:31:57 UTC
Bleedingthrough wrote:
Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:


a juicier target




this


Especially if you leave it out for 'display' with other shineys and don't put any stront in your POS. LolShockedCool

oh yeah weapons are optional as well ... Roll

I mean we actually rolled a one such a POS in C2-C3 and left 'a welcoming present' for the carrier (a large POS, 8 large guns, 4 mediums, neuts, scram, webs, no FF and a load of large bubbles).
About 12 hours later we had a free carrier kill mail and before that a rattlesnake, those POS are scary things, yo. Pirate

KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#23 - 2015-02-19 17:11:36 UTC
I've been there and done that. Yes if you plan to live there for a long time it is a good idea.

Carriers are awesomely cheap. Having one or two that you can throw into pvp means you can run with a smaller fleet than your enemy as long as you have the dps to break their tank.

A dread is great too. Someone ninja's up a tower in your system. Being a c2 it's highly unlikely they will include neuts. wait til they are offline and reinforce it. Shouldn't take more than an hour or two with t2 siege. Having the biggest stick is great, but don't go waiving it around. Use it when you need it.

This brings me to an important point though. If you have the skills to fly capitals why not live in a c5 where you can use those caps for pve and make 100 times the isk?

Batphones will ring, content will be had. Noone will try to evict you just because you have capitals in your hole. They will try to jump you if you leave them out of the pos or they may stront check your pos if it's just floating in there and they are bored. None of which is the end of the world.
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#24 - 2015-02-19 17:35:15 UTC
Coelomate wrote:
Nobody can doomsday it
Shocked

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Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#25 - 2015-02-19 17:36:11 UTC
like drake said...ain't no tellin'...do what you want. i think you realize the risk so whatever. have fun with it. as a lot of people pointed out. they are cheap and logistics aren't terrible now. It USED to be a disaster as you had to bring in orcas load of minerals. It is much more feasible for lower classes to make one without eye gauging mining. Buy/compress ore and bring it in in DSTs. Refine in wh. Build from there. Takes 1 or 2 trips depending on type of compressed ore. I will add one thing. If you are selling your wh, forget getting your isk back on that "investment". You are better off making it a t2 fit and have it die before you move out. Just please don't sell it at hull cost or discounted. Have it blow up and have fun with it.
Kahtah
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
#26 - 2015-02-19 19:37:40 UTC
You'd have better luck just filling all the moons with small PoS's and
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#27 - 2015-02-19 20:05:01 UTC
Tim Nering wrote:
Coelomate wrote:
Nobody can doomsday it
Shocked


I think he's talking about when the drifters come to reinforce his pos searching for another capital kill? CCPlease?
Coelomate
Gilliomate Corp
#28 - 2015-02-20 01:43:47 UTC
Nah, just PTSD form the carriers PFR had doomsday'd on the edge of POS shields while we were trying to take sov in Etherium Reach. Pointing out that the one major risk of operating on the edge of a POS shield with a carrier doesn't exist in wormhole space, although it's obviously, well, stating the obvious...

Love,

~Coelomate

Araikas Rhal
Hair-Trigger
#29 - 2015-02-22 22:28:40 UTC
Carriers in your C2-3?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj6FKsGiubI
:)
Seriously though, used wisely i dont see why not, As long as you understand that because your the biggest fish in the sea, you are not the baddest. Also, it will get caught and die eventualy, just the way Eve, and J-space is. If you can accept those two arguments. then have at it. You play for your enjoyment, not so others can tell you what you are allowed to enjoy.

I played other games in my past life. I must have done something wrong to be re-incarnated as an Eve player.

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#30 - 2015-02-25 15:53:43 UTC
I enjoy people that throw their caps at everything thinking its an I-win button. Used judiciously they are excellent tools. Used carelessly, they will get blapped.

As far as caps in a C1/2, you will have to build it in the hole, and you will never get it out.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2015-02-25 18:20:48 UTC
Coelomate wrote:
Nah, just PTSD form the carriers PFR had doomsday'd on the edge of POS shields while we were trying to take sov in Etherium Reach. Pointing out that the one major risk of operating on the edge of a POS shield with a carrier doesn't exist in wormhole space, although it's obviously, well, stating the obvious...


thank you for your relevant post

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Ghey Pride Worldwide
Stay Positive
#32 - 2015-02-28 10:02:40 UTC
Coelomate wrote:
Nah, just PTSD form the carriers PFR had doomsday'd on the edge of POS shields while we were trying to take sov in Etherium Reach. Pointing out that the one major risk of operating on the edge of a POS shield with a carrier doesn't exist in wormhole space, although it's obviously, well, stating the obvious...


A+ great post
Edward Harris
Inner Geek
#33 - 2015-02-28 15:57:22 UTC
They are the next best thing to assigned nyx-fighters
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