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The Bhaalgorn
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#41 - 2015-02-16 19:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
ShahFluffers wrote:
Stil Harkonnen wrote:
Two different ewar bonuses that are insanely good (Web range on a BS, yes please), and then holy **** the neuts/nos get double bonused!! Able to take several ships out of a fight with just one of its bonused ewar. And then it gets a freaking huge damage role bonus that let's it fit all the ewar without sacrificing dps.

... (snip)...

Why? Is there something I'm not understanding?

Something that should be pointed out...

That damage role bonus merely increases the effective turrets on the Bhaalgorn to 8... allowing the ship to fit neuts AND damage but without actually adding any more damage.
Basically... it has the same "number" of turrets as an Abaddon... but no damage bonus.

Tech 1 battleships can often out-dps this thing. Hell... a gank-fit Vexor can EASILY out-dps a Bhaal (by a fairly good margin too).

In a full tank setup (and you should be using a full tank setup with this ship)... the damage a Bhaalgorn can pump out is fairly anemic for a battleship. Less than 700 dps.
That is this ship's primary weakness. It can disable multiple ships via Ewar... but it has difficulty killing anything by itself (even under favorable conditions).

It can perform favorably against ships of smaller classes because of it's bonuses though. The Vindicator too but only against brawlers. The Bhaalgorn can web out close to 30km and with the new NOS bonus can disable ships close to 45km. Lower DPS is not so much an issue when you can apply it like that all while disabling the tank of the enemy ships.

A personal note: I can attest to being in a 5 man cruiser gang that got whelped by a solo Bhaalgorn pilot who clearly knew how to take advantage of these bonuses, but then again we are pretty bad at EVE Blink

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2015-02-17 08:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
So still very rarely used... Roll

Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*)

I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol.

Now the trick is how to fit the darn thing.... pimp but not too much, and that age old question of just how many neuts Straight

No Worries
SkyFlyer
The Last Hope
#43 - 2015-02-17 09:39:24 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
So still very rarely used... Roll

Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*)

I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol.

Now the trick is how to fit the darn thing.... pimp but not too much, and that age old question of just how many neuts Straight


The fit you are really looking for is

is roughly : 1-2 Dmg mods, rack of good tank
mwd long point 2x web 1x cap booster
4x pulse 2x corpus nos + 1 heavy neut

that'll easily rek a 5-8 man cruiser gang while maintaining a good tank...


Also whos this unicorn you are speaking off? as far as ive seen apart from me and bloods there are very few solo bhaal pilots
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#44 - 2015-02-17 10:23:53 UTC
SkyFlyer wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
So still very rarely used... Roll

Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*)

I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol.

Now the trick is how to fit the darn thing.... pimp but not too much, and that age old question of just how many neuts Straight


The fit you are really looking for is

is roughly : 1-2 Dmg mods, rack of good tank
mwd long point 2x web 1x cap booster
4x pulse 2x corpus nos + 1 heavy neut

that'll easily rek a 5-8 man cruiser gang while maintaining a good tank...


Also whos this unicorn you are speaking off? as far as ive seen apart from me and bloods there are very few solo bhaal pilots


All cruisers in our allliance are armor plated with passive hardeners and capboosters to run guns / scrambls. So against that kind of gang bhall is kinda useless.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2015-02-17 10:38:19 UTC
SkyFlyer wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
So still very rarely used... Roll

Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*)

I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol.

Now the trick is how to fit the darn thing.... pimp but not too much, and that age old question of just how many neuts Straight


The fit you are really looking for is

is roughly : 1-2 Dmg mods, rack of good tank
mwd long point 2x web 1x cap booster
4x pulse 2x corpus nos + 1 heavy neut

that'll easily rek a 5-8 man cruiser gang while maintaining a good tank...


Also whos this unicorn you are speaking off? as far as ive seen apart from me and bloods there are very few solo bhaal pilots


Obviously il modify to the situation (as much as i can), but was thinking along these lines...

[Bhaalgorn, Lord of Flies]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Micro Jump Drive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Corpus C-Type Heavy Nosferatu
Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Warrior II x5

T2 trimarks im debating due to cost, but ive gone this far right?
Will be in a sizable fleet so points will be taken care of.
What do you think? too much bling? not enough?

Quote:
All cruisers in our allliance are armor plated with passive hardeners and capboosters to run guns / scrambls. So against that kind of gang bhall is kinda useless.


and? some small gangs only bring a pair of logi... there will always be a hard counter to any ship... or should be

No Worries
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-02-17 10:42:59 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
SkyFlyer wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
So still very rarely used... Roll

Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*)

I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol.

Now the trick is how to fit the darn thing.... pimp but not too much, and that age old question of just how many neuts Straight


The fit you are really looking for is

is roughly : 1-2 Dmg mods, rack of good tank
mwd long point 2x web 1x cap booster
4x pulse 2x corpus nos + 1 heavy neut

that'll easily rek a 5-8 man cruiser gang while maintaining a good tank...


Also whos this unicorn you are speaking off? as far as ive seen apart from me and bloods there are very few solo bhaal pilots


Obviously il modify to the situation (as much as i can), but was thinking along these lines...

[Bhaalgorn, Lord of Flies]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Micro Jump Drive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Corpus C-Type Heavy Nosferatu
Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Warrior II x5

T2 trimarks im debating due to cost, but ive gone this far right?
Will be in a sizable fleet so points will be taken care of.
What do you think? too much bling? not enough?

Quote:
All cruisers in our allliance are armor plated with passive hardeners and capboosters to run guns / scrambls. So against that kind of gang bhall is kinda useless.


and? some small gangs only bring a pair of logi... there will always be a hard counter to any ship... or should be


any decent gang, will have some sort of EW, like sensor dampeners, so if you will be soloing against experienced PvP-ers, you will be nothing more then a thick juicy target.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2015-02-17 12:03:14 UTC
Garrett Osinov wrote:


any decent gang, will have some sort of EW, like sensor dampeners, so if you will be soloing against experienced PvP-ers, you will be nothing more then a thick juicy target.


Yep the decent gang primaries our EW and we them... nothing new. The differance is that with the Bhaal its somewhat harder to get rid of lol. Cant say what a Decent FC would do but i would target the squishier problems like scorps or Lecheisis than a 200k Hp Bhaal that aparently has been taken out of the fight by my own EW....

No Worries
Asp IV
Apex Abyss
#48 - 2015-02-17 13:16:39 UTC
Bla bla bla

Buff Cruor!
SkyFlyer
The Last Hope
#49 - 2015-02-18 06:34:50 UTC
Garrett Osinov wrote:



All cruisers in our allliance are armor plated with passive hardeners and capboosters to run guns / scrambls. So against that kind of gang bhall is kinda useless.



Not really kinda useless tbh, you can still neut out guns/scramblers even if the other person is using cap boosters, you clearly haven't come accross a bhaal pilot who knows what their doing, or else your ego is just to big :Z
LordInvisible
Nova Ardour
#50 - 2015-02-18 19:07:15 UTC
I can see a problem with ECM or heavy damps..
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2015-02-18 22:25:04 UTC
LordInvisible wrote:
I can see a problem with ECM or heavy damps..


No different then any other ship. And ECM of any type is usually primary for that reason... Bhaal is a lot tougher than your usual EWAR tho

No Worries
LordInvisible
Nova Ardour
#52 - 2015-02-19 07:27:00 UTC
Let me introduce you to my ABing kitsune, my armor tanked (in armor tanked fleet) scorpion and my 100 ecm vespas (with fleets of 100+, thats not really a dps loss).

yes, OFC, all that can again be countered, but it is also easy to replace in the middle of the fight..
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2015-02-19 08:40:01 UTC
LordInvisible wrote:
Let me introduce you to my ABing kitsune, my armor tanked (in armor tanked fleet) scorpion and my 100 ecm vespas (with fleets of 100+, thats not really a dps loss).

yes, OFC, all that can again be countered, but it is also easy to replace in the middle of the fight..


100+ fleets... id prob just refit to SB's, lose the webs for Sensor boosters and ive never really heard of scorps lasting very long...

but of course then im sure theres an arguement to that... and then one to that... and one to that... Roll

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