EVE General Discussion

I have always thought this game was made by / controlled by players.

And I thought this game was a Sandbox.

I guess its not, as you can see CCP is the one that controls the market by changing things in the game.


Please tell me, you dont really think players control anything in this game and dont tell me the market is controlled by players.

CCP controls the market when they want.

Are you sure it's a bot or it might be someone using fleet warps and manually targeting the harvester?

Let the market adjust on it's own - fuel consumption was already doubled once, for no good reason really.

If there is an oversupply of ice, ice will become cheaper forcing the least competitive ice miners to greener pastures. This is a good thing, as it means the market is finding a new equilibrium point in response to changing market conditions. It's the sign of a healthy and efficient economy.

To use an analogy: imagine it's the turn of the 20th century, and there are two factories in town that produce saddles. Along comes the automobile, and suddenly people don't need as many saddles. One of the factories re-tools to make washing machines. You now have fewer saddle factories. That doesn't make the invention of the automobile a bad thing, just because it reduced saddle consumption. And it certainly doesn't mean you need a saddle subsidy. That's just a waste of resources.

There's absolutely no reason to force players to purchase more ice then they currently need, just because there are too many ice miners. That would be like the government giving you a taxbreak for purchasing ten saddles - sure they can do it, but why?

18 year please. Perhaps a Macallan. And 1 cube only.

I don't mind a nice Johnny Walker Blue either. Not single malt, I know, but smooth as silk.

This happens in RL, too.

A government might change what is allowed, and what not, and the market reacts. Prices might go up or down, depending on what exactly happened.

You always have external factors that drive the market. Wether it is the government, or the environment. Sometimes even changes in foreign governments impact your local market.

So yeah, CCP changing things isn't something that is detrimental to it being a sandbox. Sociologists and financial analysts have long seen those effects in real life markets, too.

No fix required.

Market forces will repair this on their own. Supply and demand.

If people stop making the amount of money they want from it due to lower prices, they will cease production and move on. (or be stupid not to).

When they stop production, the supply will more easily match demand and prices will recover.

Either way ... this is a live market. Good to see prices change. And Ice is not the only changing item. years ago a normal price everywhere for a Teir 1 BS was under 70m. Times change. Adapt and survive.

(That said ... it would be nice is ice did have more usues, but not for market reasons, just for choice in application and variety).

Ice mining never was 'worth it' compared to belt mining.

I have Ice mining to 5, have for years and at no point could I balance the books, where I wasn't better off mining and selling, then buying Ice product. The reasons have changed but the element has never. I try to find Ice Anom systems to mine in though. Just because the gold fish we call pirates will always head to the fattest target, spurge the killmail in local and I can belt mine in those systems with a warning system.

In the Hyperdunking thread further up, an interesting topic popped up:



It seems that letting POSes go offline is a common practice in High Sec, since they are protected, even without their shield, by the Wardec mechanics (someone has to wardec you to target your POS, so you have 24 hour warning to slip some fuel in and bring the shield back up). That's potentially a lot of POSes not using the amount of ice they are supposed to be. Maybe getting a fix done on this little exploit would solve your problem?