EVE General Discussion

The people who decide your sec status are nothing to do with the powerful mega corporations who own the stations. Said corporations want your business and really don't give a damn about what you get up to in space, providing you're not doing it to them.



In addition to the excellent points raised by Cancel Align NOW, not everyone can be bothered to scan before they shoot. Zkillboard offers plenty of evidence as to why it's perfectly reasonable to blow up a ship just in case it has a decent loot table.

i will just put this here. Since this thread has quickly become redundant


This one fits too

http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/suicideganking.jpg

From a miners view, every gank, not causing YOUR ship to get destroyed is good.

1. Less competition is good for business
2. Ships need to be destroyed to be repalced, causing mineral needs
3. Sometimes ganks leads to quality posts much like the OP

So a miner can either fly a ship less prone to ganks compared to the barge next door e.g. procurer or count the losses as opportunity costs.

Ummm .... no.
Go through my kill board, try find an indy or miner kill.
Have a look through my post history, I talk about things that make high sec more challenging and things that give miners more tools to protect themselves.
Particularly look at my CSM thread in signature.

I am not and I repeat this, I am not trying to flush newbies out of high sec and into low or null sec to be slaughtered by gate campers.

We haven't got it quite right yet but I guess I will describe how Null Sec mining can work:

1) Yes, first of all you need intel channels open because some ships can warp across systems stupidly fast and you need a few systems warning to be able to react.
2) You need people able to re-ship to instant locking pairs (with remote boosters) to grab interceptors and cloakers for the others to murder.
3) You have a dead end system or a pocket, you dock up and overwhelm when you re-ship or you call in a larger fleet than them, trap and slaughter them.
4) Go around ship scanning your fleet members, there are always a few with asteroid scanner (put those on your hauler) or who are going for max yield and gimping their tank.
5) Forget about Mackinaws, Retrievers and Covetors, they are a waste of time. The gain on yield vs the tank is useless. Skiffs or Procurers are your bread and butter, Hulks are good for well orchastrated operations.

6) Operations
i ) Make sure everyone is together (not too close for bombs but close enough to be under the drones "umbrella"
ii ) Have a few haulers with tanks.
iii ) Have eyes spread wide and have PVPers ratting in PVP ships in squads, loot and salvage goes to funds, they aren't so bored and they can warp directly to a gate for a fast response.
iv ) Drones in just in case you are bombed
v) Shield doctrine, do not split your logi

When all else fails if you are solo mining such as in a worm hole, make two warp off points that are off grid from your asteroid belt and slow boat at 76% speed between them. Drop jet cans along the way. Use a hauler with tractor beams, sensory boosters and aligned to a random safe that you can then ping at an oblique angle to your POS.

Market McSelling Alt, I also mailed you some battle reports where CODE. had a 97% ISK failure and the only thing they caught was a procurer stuck on the invisible part of an asteroid. Not to mention a fantastically awful Goons hot drop that was pretty even on ISK (we won slightly) but a huge victory for our moral. We almost caught and killed one of their black ops battle ships (killed loads of bombers).
We do have a plan for next time that should guaranteed a few Blops BSes kills.

There are two problems with EVE and mining:

1) Your best strategy is to dock up or die (this breeds risk aversion)
2) There aren't many tools to stand and fight.

So, after they start their mining lives in high sec, they learn that all they will do is lose if they try fight.
Gankers convince them to avoid any conflict at all and to just keep jumping corporations, systems and getting to safe places.

It takes months of small victories to build up their confidence and it is a ridiculous struggle to get them to believe that players can actually protect them. They think that it will be like Concord. They are so conditioned into a loser's mentality by high sec ... it really terrible and some horrible game design.

Condord is retribution NOT protection.

Now that is funny as hell, Jenn spends a lot of his/her time whinging about his/her play style and how it should be nerf'd. "CCP needs to fix burner missions and incursions, because I make too much isk doing them!!!" LOL

Well...

You learned a lot there...

1. Highsec is only safer, not safe
2. Kill rights need to be activated
3. How the agression timer works (Be lucky, it cost me one of MY Battleships, you learned it by your corpmate loosing one)
4. If you undock, cosider you ship lost, and rejoyce once you manage to dock (<- Thats TONs Of positive emotions vs one sad one if you loose it) - Also know as Rule 1 of eve: Dont fly what you cant afford to loose (I think its Rule one... Rule 2 was trust noone? Or did i get them mixed up?)


Overall this was a cheap lesson...

And I am sure you were offered a sweet deal for only 10M after your ship got blown up ;)

Through all the pumping out of chests and tiresome smack talk, it all boils down to this. It's about cowards getting cheap kills the only way cowards know, by seeking out the peaceful.

Eve is approaching anarchy. Good luck with that.

Your dislike of CCP is so obvious, your post is like a person being both a militant vegan and a member of PETA while every night going to a STEAK HOUSE complaining to people eating Steak that meat is murder....all the while ordering and paying for drinks and salads from the STEAK HOUSE thus helping this place (that you can't stand) stay in business.


You're paying a game company you hate to make a game with a community you can't stand and somehow I'm the delusional one. Brilliant.

No one is taking away your precious non-consensual pvp. We are asking that Criminals be treated as such.

Your example of the hoe house is spot on, no one should be shocked there is hoeing going down, but neither should the man getting the hoe be shocked at his doctor bill for medical treatment afterwards.

We are asking that if you insist on screwing everything that moves in high-sec, that you have to take some penicillin when you are done.