Missions & Complexes

Well, what changes and when ?

Whenever I run the Epic Arcs I always reference and update the Eve Survival Mission Reports if needed. Last time I did that was in October 2014.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=Wildfire4p3&show_comments=1#comments

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Mission 2 - Heresiology
Faction: Ammatar
Mission Type: Encounter
Space Type: Normal Space
Web/Scram: Ammatar Navy Delta I, Ammatar Navy Gamma II
Required: Archeology III and Relic Analyzer module

Mission Objective:
Search multiple Relics to retrieve 1x Engraved Blood Obsidian tablet (0.1 m3) and return to Agent.

Note
All 3 original Relics must be hacked with Relic Analyzer.
Some Relics will spawn a container with ancient documents along with another Relic which must also be hacked.
Total amount of Relics to hack = 6.
1x Engraved Blood Obsidian tablet (0.1 m3) spawns in container after last Relic is hacked.

Warning
Destroying these ships will incur a small Faction Standing loss to Ammatar Mandate.

Note
Destroying these ships is not required to complete mission.
If needed destroy any Web/Scram Frigates and warp away.


Initial Group (55-75km)
10x Frigate (Ammatar Navy Delta 1 Support Frigate, Ammatar Navy Detective, Ammatar Navy Gamma II Support Frigate) Web/Scram
5x Cruiser (Ammatar Navy Maller)
4x Battleship (Ammatar Navy Armageddon, Ammatar Navy Apocolypse)

Tip
NPC's are spread out within the mission area making it very tough to avoid ship kill or to blitz this mission.
Best to quickly destroy all ships first due to amount of Relics needing to be hacked.

Possible Avoidance Of Ship Kill
Lure NPC's away at least 150km to 200km range and then quickly double back to hack Relics.
Repeat as needed until all Relics are hacked and mission objective is completed.
Fitting a Micro Jump Drive will help a lot.
Alternately fleet with an Alt or friend to take full stage aggro.

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If the mission has been changed then the info should be updated. Anyone can update / edit the info. Hopefully the info is still current and the pages don't need to be edited.

Anyway, seems my 3 months waiting time is over so I guess I can run that arc again and re-verify the info.


DMC

Definitely bad news indeed.

Whenever I run that mission, I first destroy the NPC's as quickly as I can. Then I take my time and hack the containers.

Last time I completed that mission, Oct of 2014, there were only 3 containers present upon warping to the site.

My question is how many containers are now present upon warping to the mission site ?



DMC

OK, 3 containers are present upon warping into the site. So at least that part is still the same.

The first 2 cans you hacked didn't spawn anything. Did you open each container immediately after the successful hack ?

When you submitted the Support Ticket, did you ask CCP what the sequence is for those cans ?


Just trying to figure out what exactly is going on with the site.



DMC

I've done this arc recently. I'm not 100% sure when, but the arc is still on cool down so within the past 3 months

I can confirm that this mission and the arc in general could be completed when I ran it, but that's about it. Not sure why ur mission is freaking out. Hopefully the reset will solve this issue.

Just recently i petitioned something like this: ... I completed M. Arc yesterday before DT. The finish was annoying, as can spawn in "Heresiology" was weird (after hack no new cans spawn, i wait, then dock, come back to mission, sometimes there are containers next to hacked cans, even when immediately after the hack cans were empty, after some time new cans spawn, ...), i docked and returned to mission 5 times and i hacked around 20 cans total. ...
I left "detectives" alive, as i read at eve-survival only detectives bring standing penalty. It is not true, as I got some standing hits nevertheless, but because of "detectives" I was quite in a hurry with my hacks. I suspect, this was the problem. I suppose can state update can be botched at the server side due to hacking speed, as puting a delay between hacks (docking at station) helped me to resolve the matter to my satisfaction ...
Anyway, the experience was less than enjoyable.

Gotta say having to hack 20 to 50 cans just to get the mission objective is messed up. Definitely sounds like the mission is bugged now, especially if CCP quickly keeps resetting it for everyone.

Hell, when hacking cans in Cosmos Complexes to find mission item that usually only requires hacking a dozen or so cans, maybe 2 dozen at most to get the required item.





DMC

The mission is bugged.

I had issues with it and submitted a petition and the GM told me it is a known bug and just completed the mission for me.

Nevermind they already fixed it for me, mere minutes after submitting ticket

Obviously it's a confirmed bug which is why they're quickly resetting the mission.

From reading this thread I got the impression that resetting the mission doesn't help. The bug still exists.

I'm just wondering why they even bother to reset it instead of just completing the mission for the player.




DMC

I had read somewhere probably eve-survival.org that there was supposed to be 6 containers and the mission objective was in one of them. In my petition I had mentioned that I had successfully opened more than twice that number and still not gotten the mission completion item.

So it might be in the wording or in which GM you get or what mood they are in. When wording a ticket try to be more definitive and specific as people are likely to give you what you ask for. So instead of saying something like "I don't know what's going on with this mission I did what it says and it won't let me turn in" say something like " The mission objective says do X, Y, and Z and I did X,Y, and Z and it is not completeing can you please either complete the mission for me, or give me the mission objective."

Also if you give some kind of indication that you have looked into it and done some reading and not gone strait to the GM ticket UI to solve your problems. So slowly read the mission description and then look it up on eve-survival maybe do a google search on it but put some kind of wording that shows the GM you've read and are fairly certain that you are doing the mission correctly and that if you are not it is too poorly worded for the average player to be able to figure out with a reasonable amount of investigation.

These are just guidelines for general communication skills and how to word things when trying to get results. No game is perfect and every game that you pay money to play has some type of GM system. The GMs aren't trying to screw anyone over they are there to solve problems. However while this may be the first problem that you have run into in a few months or maybe even ever in game for the GM it's likely the 20th bugged mission he's had to take care of since his lunch break. So you really can't expect them to read more into it than what you give them.

Further people are mostly lazy so if you do the work for them and explain the problem and propose the solution most people won't look into it any further if what you are saying seems reasonable. In that case you are more likely to just get what it is you are asking for.

With regards to this mission specifically these arc have been out for a while. If it's bugged why has it not been fixed? It would just seem to make more sense than taking up a GMs time but maybe the arcs don't get run all that often.