Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You get the basics in the EVE tutorials and more advanced info in the suitonia's videos or lessons in Agony, or even EUni. What he does in his videos and the ships he uses do not require a lot of knowledge. Keeping an eye on ranges, on weapons and a bit of behavior observation as well as checking resources to gauge your potential opponent before you engage is enough. I don't know how you define "young player", but in my opinion someone who's 2-3 months old is young. In that amount of time, you can watch a lot of videos and ask a lot of questions and experiment around a lot. Provided, you are really interested in PVP, everything I listed above can be learned in 2-3 months and refined afterwards. Some level of information is indeed necessary, but in order to murder another player's T1 frig with your own frigate, is not as complicated as you make it seem. Missions that teach you to to react on some predefined patterns, however, do little to nothing to achieve that. In contrast, what is lacking these days are people willing to teach other players how to PVP, how to avoid PVP, how to get out of PVP, how to do things properly and those trying to make other people aware of PVP. To my knowledge, most players, however, these days are only interested in easy kills, lols and "gudfites". Teaching other players how to properly PVP would just bereave them off their basic content generator. A cheers for the Sandbox.

There is a very solid and proven reason why PvE and PvP fits are so radically different, unless you change the very nature of one or the other of these activities there is no way you will ever get one fit to work equally well for both. As a mission runner I would like nothing more than to be able to efficiently run missions while using a PvP fit, alas that does not work now and it is not likely to change any time soon.

Yes you can use a PvP fit for missions it just takes about 4 or 5 times as long. Warp in take damage, warp out and repair, repeat as many times as needed to complete the mission. In the mean time I sit and tank the damage laughing hysterically at their antics and wonder when they will learn that you cannot efficiently run missions in a PvP fit.

On the other hand and across every ship class my low EHP and high dps active tanked ships would quickly melt in a PvP engagement and there in lies the hassles for mission runners. Before you roast me over this the answer is yes this is the way it should be and I am comfortable with it, ganks are just one of the risks we face.

Now let's move to the whole silly notion that people would be more likely to participate in PvP oriented activities if their ships were properly fit. No doubt there are some that would do this, it is my opinion that the vast majority of PvE players would not because the whole PvP style of game play hold no interest for them. So simply accept that there are different play styles in this game, participate in those you enjoy and allow others to enjoy their favorites.

Smartass.

The rules of eve

Rule 1 : Never fly what you can't afford to lose.

Rule 2 : Never tell anyone else how they should play eve.

Eve is a sandbox. If pve players want to play as pve player then they can. If you want to gank them you can.

The only time CCP should, and do, interfere is when something is broken. PVE fits are not broken they are just what you don't want to see

If you want to pvp why are you hanging in hi-sec?

Only change here is you need to fight other pvp players instead of going after pve players and then claiming there is an issue.

Only issue here is your choice to avoid fighting someone wo will shoot back.

As a guy who has murdered flocks and flocks of the sheep. I endorse this.

Hey I do agree that there are a lot of player and community developed tools that do a wonderful job of introducing new players to pvp. It's just that a new player mostly has no idea about them or can't use them effectively.

For example how should a new player know that there are academy-type corporations that could help him? He has no idea. Het same is with PvP. The tools are on the table, but applying learned theory (tutorial) in practice is so hard that many chose one to even try.

Yes, EVE is hard and it should be hard - it's not tetris. A certain level of player effort is required to be able to play. Just lower the bar a little.

An idea: brodcasting a clear information that a sisi server is available to try everything you want would also be a good idea...

Don't fly many mission do you?
With the exception of the dual prop mods there are numerous missions that have many of these types of ships.
There are even spawns in some level 4's that have battleships with neuts, and to make them that much easier to handle they have sensor damps, tracking disruption is common with some NPC as well.

Obviously. There would be no point in scrambling rats if they wouldn’t try to warp out .

Hmm I think that discussion got a little sidetracked.

1) I didn't say that all PvE must be like that (i can't imagine Incursions or WH Sleepers to work like that) - just some PvE to help to transition form PvE to PvP.

2) I wanted to ensure that a PvE player can TRY (that does not mean succed) to fight a ganker.

Thats it. There is no more to it. I don't think it shoud be all PvP or that PvE guys shoud somehow be forced to PvP. Just let them taste the damn thing .