CSM Campaigns

Just finished my application to the CSM ballot!

We waited for you with cake and everything.

I'm torn really. I would love another wormhole candidate, but my belief in how this multi box automation destroying mmo's is too strong. I've seen it in too many games, in too many players, and in too many companies.

I don't play rift, eq, or wow anymore. EQ people started using buffbots (second and 3rd accounts that follow their main around buffing and healing them), daoc had that bad for a while. Wow, alterac valley had almost entire 40 man parties of solo man boxing accounts (1 wow account was enough). I've seen what was originally social mmo's turn into soloist wastelands. Heck the only reason I like project 1999 is their total anti boxing rules.

If I had to choose between voting yes for you as a wormhole candidate, or voting no because of your multiboxing input broadcast and automation stance, I will have to vote no.

Even if it meant losing a wormholer csm spot, I would lose it to keep all broadcast input, automation, isboxing functionality out of this game.

Even if it meant a total ban on any and all screen monitoring software, fine. I'll buy another monitor. I don't want Eve to go down the road that so many mmo's have.

I fear that your prospects of being a viable wormhole csm member is at risk due to the multiboxer stance.

Good luck on the run.

^ This guy wins a prize for understanding it.

No he really doesn't, and neither do you. Just listened to your podcast, and honestly, you really don't understand that input broadcasting is literally a form of automation. Noting the fact that it isn't allowed anymore, and you point that out, I'd like to state a couple things:

1. I multi-box without any third party software.

2. I work with automation every day at work. (You are welcome to mail me for my credentials, or look at my campaign from last year.)

3. Input broadcasting is limited-user automation.
4. It is cheating in a gaming environment.
5. CCP changed the rules to remove it.
6. IS Boxer made adjustments for Eve Online.
7. What is left is fine with me.

8. If you took the above approch and breakdown, you would likely have not lost support.

9. You misrepresent Corbexx's stance on new players and NPE in your interview.
10. I don't think you represent my interests or the best interests of others in this game, outside your own interests.
11. As it stands, I sincerely hope you aren't elected.
12. The End.

You beat me to the punch!

I am very much behind better representation for the multiboxing community. Currently i feel that we are not represented at all. We have one CSM member stating that it is cheating while multiboxing! And ludicrous claims that 99% of the community want multiboxing banned altogether.

But most of all it is the total silence on CCPs part. CCP know how many multibox and how many accounts they typically use at the same time, they know just how big this community is.

How do you propose to even get traction that is clearly a thorny issue on both sides, players and CCP alike? And by traction i mean just some more honest and upfront discussion that doesn't descend into name calling and mud slinging. Even your thread here is already demonstrated how hard it is with just players, and the huge gulf of misunderstandings. In the official thread CCP have remained totally silent. Negligently so in fact.

FWIW i have 3 accounts i use at once, but mostly just 2. I use a OS that would and can do anything isboxer can do just as a normal window manager software on linux (yea that thing called windows is 3rd party software your using to run eve people, even lowly windows has many tricks if you know what your doing). I have refrained from getting an extra 3 accounts because of the issue sounding this. 1, its the shifting sand of what i can do now, I may not be able to do in the future. 2, Total lack of clarity from CCP.

The core of this game isn't "multi-boxing" and "alts", the core of this game is "multiplaying". This game, as with all MMO's are designed around the concept of social gameplay and multiplayer interaction. Multi-boxing and the use of alts is a player-designed answer to the multiplayer concept.

I agree that CCP will never be able to eliminate mult-boxing, but your fundamental perception of this game is so terrible that it is becoming laughable. Seriously, and before you say that I have a problem with you personally (I don't), let me clarify that my persistence isn't against you as a person, but rather with your understanding of this game and your personal views of Eve. You really don't understand the game very well based on your opinion of the "core" of the game mechanics.

Please tell me how a titan or other super pilot is suppose to play this game? Just leave the titan floating around in space? Eve clearly has game play mechanics designed around multiboxing. Its is even in their advertising. Power of two is promoted as multiboxing.

The game allows multiboxing and "Power of Two" supports having alts. However, you said the "core" of this game is "multiboxing" and that is probably one of the most ridiculous things I've heard a player say in this game. It is a multiplayer game. I will agree with Delt0r that a Titan pilot, any Titan pilot (or Super pilot for that matter; or even Cap pilot with trust issues) would multibox to move their ships around. I generally did, since I don't trust very many players in this game.

AGAIN, let me clarify that I never used ISBoxer or any third party service to multibox to move my caps/Supers. But again, these are player problems (since trust isn't a mechanic), and all of these things that I multibox are related to me not trusting other players, which would simply be multiplayer in general.


How dense can you possibly be? Your fundamental perception is that multiplayer mechanics are actually multiboxing mechanics. That is ridiculously blind. None of the mechanics you said encourage multiboxing, you only see it because you want to see it that way:

1. Fleet warp = multiplayer. (Multiboxers use it, must be a multiboxing mechanic /s)
2. Players can't do anything themselves = wrong. (Multiboxers use it, must be a multiboxing mechanic /s)
3. Skill queue = wrong. (Multiboxers use it, must be a multiboxing mechanic /s)
4. PLEX = wrong. (Multiboxers use it, must be a multiboxing mechanic /s)

(If you think multiply character training = multiboxing... lol wrong)

I agree with Power of Two supporting alts, but that isn't exclusive to multiboxing. Your arguments are all fringe at best, and you are certainly right about opinions. The funny thing is very few people find mine to be appalling and I take solace in the knowledge that you have been well removed as a wormhole candidate in this election.