EVE General Discussion

Because reality doesn't work like that. Less harsh high sec doesn't mean more players (because there is no evidence of people quitting because high sec is too harsh), less harsh high sec means EXISTING players squeeze more wealth out of it because they have more safety. That's the hidden motivation behind a lot of "Think of the Children new players" thinking, because the people who seem all altruistic actually do understand how 'Malcanis' Laws' works.

And "more money to support the game" has never and will never make sense. CCP didn't give us less stuff when they had less money and didn't give us more more stuff when they have more money. More money means "stake holders get paid more".

It's like expecting McDonalds to make better food because you buy more pseudo-beef hamburgers from them. More money to a business person doesn't mean "cool, I should improve my product since people are giving me more money", it just means "keep doing what we're already doing, because that seems to work".

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We came here to spank and be spanked, not grind mindlessly until we have 200ml SP and eleventy squillion ISK and are ready to compete (by which point, it's meaningless anyway).

The NPE funnels people into mindless ISK pumping. This must be addressed as a priority.

The terrible fearmongering 'advice' from people in NPC corps is far more responsible for aggravating risk aversion and feelings of entitlement to safety features than the actions of 'griefers'. Recognise how dangerous it is to create default channels ingame where people can brainwash new players into being pathetic quivering 'victims'. These new social corps might actually curb a portion of this, I'm undecided. Either way, NPC corps need to go. If that's on the roadmap and this is the only way to get it through, fair enough.


Such a good post, I agree with many parts of that (sorry for snipping it).


The golden age. One of the best vids I saw was the one where a group brought drugs in and fought customs whilst everyone stood around gawping.

I'm not usually.

However being < -5 makes me instantly engageable anywhere. When the logi can be the cause to initiate a fight, that makes things more difficult for a fleet, especially if sitting on a gate waiting to move forward.

Logi ships are relatively slow to align and warp. That makes them easy to catch on gates and kill if they are freely engageable.

Additionally, often we start fights by shooting a suspect or outlaw in an opposing fleet. Especially when on gates. As logi, pulling range is one of my primary goals when we are together in a bunch. Being neutral usually gives me a few seconds to do that before I have to rep someone and take a suspect flag. Positioning for logi is one of the best ways to protect yourself.

So being an outlaw and logi is not ideal. Better to be neutral as a logi (until the reps are applied, then it's suspect anyway).

But I fight a lot (not as logi) at other times. That's largely where my sec status takes it's hit.

The chart relates to a shift from HTFU to Themepark.


I can give quotes taken out of context also.

So many have tried to address this over the years. The lack of response from CCP over the reformation of the NPE pretty much says "the players need to handle this".

And some did. Goons for example. Love them and hate them, they treat noobs well. Brave Newbies another example.


What the NPE lacks most, IMO, are two things:
- loss
- PVP

For loss, players should be given ships by tutorial mission agents and then sent on missions where the destruction of the ship is guaranteed. Perhaps even a part of the mission. This keeps them from being like "Oooh my first frigate! I'll keep it forever and ever!"

The NPE cries out for PVP experience. How I don't know. One would think that in a PVP game, the NPE would incorporate it. I don't write the code for the game (clearly I'm sane you see) but there needs to be a tutorial mission for new players that puts them in a PVP situation. Get into a duel, or maybe given a "duel mission" where they have to find another player who was also given a "duel mission" and they fulfill that by... dueling. The outcome should not even matter. Mission objective fulfilled the minute they get into a duel.

It might also be epic if players were given missions (by what mechanics I don't know) whereby they have to "find and shoot a negative sec status player in lowsec". Imagine if noobs were given such missions. Slaughter, right? Bloodbath, right? Of course!
But getting blapped and/or getting killed early on and losing ships and putting them to the rush of PVP will avert carebearness and it may even have them hooked.

I can think of ways all day but we don't have to code it so who knows what can be done.

All I know is something should be done.

It was stated that the tags arent a buff cause no ganker uses them cause they just stay at -10. If that's the case the larger sec hit isn't a negative cause gankers are already -10.

Yes. I linked to my own response to that same statement yesterday. It's the first half of that post I linked to.

If tags aren't a buff because they decide to remain at -10. Then status hit isn't a nerf because they decide to ... at -10

fill in the gap

This has already been covered in the thread several times.

Seems we've reached the limit of useful discussion in this thread (probably a few pages ago actually). Just recycling the same things over and over now because people don't take the time to read the full discussion.

Did you look at the image in the OP?

What's the title of the image?

and tags are a buff to carebearing, not pvp.