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Why don't more women play Eve Online?

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Jenshae Impetus
Anarchy Enforcer
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#501 - 2015-02-11 06:57:27 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Anyway, does anyone know why most women's femme avatars are ugly? They of all people...
Not a clue, my little love muffin. Blink
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#502 - 2015-02-11 07:07:27 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


I'm 6'2" and 205lbs,


Of course you are.

On a related note, I was Jesus in a past life. Truth.

Mr Epeen Cool


Yeah, actually, I believe that. I can definitely see you cleaning pools and mowing lawns...

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Jenshae Chiroptera
#503 - 2015-02-11 07:09:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I'm 6'2" and 205lbs,
Of course you are.
On a related note, I was Jesus in a past life. Truth.

Mr Epeen Cool
On a related note, if I land up in CSM, you are going to know exactly, who I am. So, there is no point in false claims:

I am 189 cm tall and weigh 80 kilograms. According to Google, that is (6 feet 2 13⁄32 inches) tall and 176.37 lbs. Considering where I come from and the general BMI there, that means I am 12 kgs or 26.4555 lbs under weight.
I suppose you will also be able to trace the guy I rowed with and maybe get e-mail confirmation. At the very least, you should be able to find out that we were in the same rowing team. He got a silver at the Beijing Olympics and I tore my shoulder ligaments off my chest years prior to him achieving that. So, I am rather athletic.

Do not get lulled by stereotypes. Physical prowess is really easy to achieve and maintain. Gamers are surprisingly average looking to most people.

Now, to take the topic on a more scenic route:

Just how well balanced and adjusted are we - to not only spend so much time on a game but to also waste huge amount typing pointlessly into a forum instead of going out and talking to girls face to face?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#504 - 2015-02-11 07:14:12 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Can we start talking about how male avatars are often as macho, stern, angry and such as possible with the sharpest features?

because men compensate? Look at civire or brutors. Adrenaline pumps with smell of testosterone everywhere.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#505 - 2015-02-11 07:16:01 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
On a related note, I was Jesus in a past life. Truth.

No. I know my son and you're not him.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#506 - 2015-02-11 07:22:00 UTC
Isn't it great how any argument between feminists and non-feminists always seems to devolve into the feminists insulting their opposition's appearance, lifestyle, and supposed lack of promiscuity?

That says pretty much everything you need to know about them.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#507 - 2015-02-11 07:24:17 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
On a related note, I was Jesus in a past life. Truth.

No. I know my son and you're not him.
"Daddy, if all humans are your children, doesn't that make mummy your daughter and isn't that sinful?"

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#508 - 2015-02-11 07:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
"Daddy, if all humans are your children, doesn't that make mummy your daughter and isn't that sinful?"

I didn't really think this through too well did I?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#509 - 2015-02-11 07:35:19 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


I'm 6'2" and 205lbs,


Of course you are.

On a related note, I was Jesus in a past life. Truth.

Mr Epeen Cool


Yeah, actually, I believe that. I can definitely see you cleaning pools and mowing lawns...


K pasta.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#510 - 2015-02-11 07:39:10 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
"Daddy, if all humans are your children, doesn't that make mummy your daughter and isn't that sinful?"
I didn't really think this through too well did I?
So, you acknowledge that I am your child? Can I have ISK pocket money? Am I one of the fallen angels that are also your children, who you love and who are punishing the naughty humans, so doing good work, while being called evil?
I found your book pretty confusing and self contradictory as you can imagine! Can I have a signed copy? Can you print me one in something that won't burn?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#511 - 2015-02-11 07:51:12 UTC
It's always going to be down to a variety of things, some of them being what CCP and the community does wrong, and some of them being nothing you could ever hope to change, and those with an pre-existing agenda or bias are liable to use one of those against the other.

However any constructive discussion in that area is prone to be drowned out both by extremists and saboteurs (controversial subjects being the easiest to sabotage).

With an election coming up, the CSM is probably the best venue for such a discussion. If you have genuine concerns, posing questions to the candidates and voting for those who could fight for your viewpoints best is more likely to achieve any actual results than a quagmired forum thread.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#512 - 2015-02-11 07:57:23 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


I'm 6'2" and 205lbs,


Of course you are.

On a related note, I was Jesus in a past life. Truth.

Mr Epeen Cool


Yeah, actually, I believe that. I can definitely see you cleaning pools and mowing lawns...


Oh nice! Racism.

What's next from you lot? Not a lot left since you've pretty much run the douche gamut in here. Probably time to put this thread to bed (After a few homophobic posts, of course).

Mr Epeen Cool
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#513 - 2015-02-11 08:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Mr Epeen wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


I'm 6'2" and 205lbs,


Of course you are.

On a related note, I was Jesus in a past life. Truth.

Mr Epeen Cool


Yeah, actually, I believe that. I can definitely see you cleaning pools and mowing lawns...


Oh nice! Racism.

What's next from you lot? Not a lot left since you've pretty much run the douche gamut in here. Probably time to put this thread to bed (After a few homophobic posts, of course).

Mr Epeen Cool


What 'lot'? You talk as if I've joined some kind of a side. It's becoming more and more apparent that the real problem isn't sexism or anything so simple as that, but it's that people think there are sides in all this.

Seriously though, if you can't handle a Jesus joke, you really need to revisit your sense of humour. You, of all people, were the last on these forums I expected to blow this out of proportion with a stroppy, salty accusation of racism.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Jenshae Chiroptera
#514 - 2015-02-11 08:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Jessica Danikov wrote:
It's always going to be down to a variety of things, some of them being what CCP and the community does wrong, and some of them being nothing you could ever hope to change, and those with an pre-existing agenda or bias are liable to use one of those against the other.

However any constructive discussion in that area is prone to be drowned out both by extremists and saboteurs (controversial subjects being the easiest to sabotage).

With an election coming up, the CSM is probably the best venue for such a discussion. If you have genuine concerns, posing questions to the candidates and voting for those who could fight for your viewpoints best is more likely to achieve any actual results than a quagmired forum thread.


*Stops laughing, coughs and puts on serious face.*

Okay,
Firstly, there is no control by CCP over third party communication.
Secondly, we could at least be able to invite each other's avatars into our captain's quarters to socialise "face to face"
Thirdly, CCP can not code more maturity into the player based. It is the responsibility of group leaders to single out immature players and tell them their behaviour is not acceptable, grant women moderation abilities on third party communications and take internal disciplinary action.
Finally, corporations could have an option to be searchable by various factors but this may back fire by singling them out as targets to attack, so again, community and word of mouth is probably the best solution.

As ever, if there is any breaks in the EULA or TOS, do not hesitate to report them. If enough people come forward with their complaints then they need to be taken seriously and not dismissed as a few disgruntled people.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#515 - 2015-02-11 08:05:49 UTC
Jessica Danikov wrote:
With an election coming up, the CSM is probably the best venue for such a discussion. If you have genuine concerns, posing questions to the candidates and voting for those who could fight for your viewpoints best is more likely to achieve any actual results than a quagmired forum thread.

Discussion about what? Women/Men ratio in game? Maturity?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#516 - 2015-02-11 09:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
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Because I used to go to cons, so that isn't an assumption. It's the general rule, although I freely agree that there are always exceptions.


Fair enough. I've never been to one so idk. I however am not..but that doesn't matter DOES IT Blink


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Anyway, does anyone know why most women's femme avatars are ugly? They of all people...


Awwww...you think my avatar is ugly? Sad

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If u female, hit my evemail up. M/21/6'6" 9" 180lbs xoxo


mmmhmmm..that's what they all say. In my experience, the more the hype, the less the offering. No offense Roll

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There are some skinny neckbeards that forget to eat and their scraggly hair looks more like they glued it on from shavings they took from down below. Blink


O...M...G...you had to go there....thanks so much for the visual..Lol

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..

Josef Djugashvilis
#517 - 2015-02-11 09:27:37 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Isn't it great how any argument between feminists and non-feminists always seems to devolve into the feminists insulting their opposition's appearance, lifestyle, and supposed lack of promiscuity?

That says pretty much everything you need to know about them.


I hope for your sake that you are trolling, and indeed for the sake of any women you may get to know when you are old enough to go out and meet women you are not related to by blood.

This is not a signature.

Shin Jan
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#518 - 2015-02-11 09:36:46 UTC
Fellow citizens of Eve, we live in a troubled age, Women are too few for us all to breed, High sec is carebearing more and more each days, and for the 100 000th time, Eve is going to die.
Celestia Via
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#519 - 2015-02-11 09:39:13 UTC
Sera Kor-Azor wrote:
Firstly, how would you know whether a player was a female or not?

Secondly, why should it matter?

Thirdly, I remember the first day I joined Factional warfare. The word R-A-P-E was used quite frequently to describe defeat of one player by another. As a member of HER majesty's HOLY and righteous 'good guy' boy scout Militia, I took 'in character' offense to this. Predictably, I was laughed at.

So maybe, a female player has better things to do than listen to a bunch of teenaged boys blow up each other's pixel spaceships while listening to the word 'R-A-P-E' being tossed around in such a casual and dismissive manner.

Sexual assault, aka R-A-P-E, is never a comical thing. It is a hate crime perpetrated by low-life predators who use force against women (and sometimes men) who are in a vulnerable position. It should never be used to imply defeat or conquest. Even when used as a metaphor, the implications are meant to be a tragic and unjust use of force to cause great trauma and sorrow.

I did meet one woman who quit not only EVE, but online video games in general specifically for this reason, namely the casual misogyny. You get enough of it in the workplace as well as the streets, you don't need to pay $20 a month to hear it in your own home as well.


A very good point, on the r*pe word being casually used. The OP argued that we should not endorse any form of strict moderation in EVE, but I disagree when the result is the casual use of such blatantly offensive terms. Note how, r*ape is not a female "privilege", it can apply to both genders and should be equally offensive to both.

Im sure there will be voices to say "But I wonna says what i wants", to which i say, poppycock. If you cannot respect others there should be rules and moderation to force you to, otherwise we face devolution.

As to the threads subject, Superintendent Chalmers summarized it beautifully by:

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"Boys need to explore, build things, wreck those things and then build them again"
The Simpsons, s23e02


which is right on the nose, one could argue that this was written with EVE online in mind.





"We marched for days and nights, under sun, in the rain. Our minds and bodies ached for rest, but in our hearts there was nothing but the fight."

Sera Kor-Azor
Amarrian Mission of the Sacred Word
#520 - 2015-02-11 09:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sera Kor-Azor
Memphis Baas wrote:
Voice comms.


I know that's how Hellcats redux, an all female EVE corporation, sorts out the women players from the males with female characters.

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It doesn't matter.


So why ask?

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So teenaged BOYS were talking about sexually assaulting each other (anally or orally, one would assume), and that somehow became misogyny against the one woman who quit not just this game, but because it's everywhere online she quit the whole internet.

How do you feel about other commonly used internet jargon, for example mofo, fap, or the f-bomb?


I don't recall this woman saying that she quit 'the whole internet'. I believe I said she quit the online gaming community. This is what is known as a strawman. "You said this, but what you REALLY meant was this."

Do you think she over-reacted? It is after all, her time, her money, her decision. Is this woman not entitled to make her own decisions regarding how she spends her own time and money?

Did it 'somehow' become misogyny? Let me ask you this.

Do you understand what r*pe culture is? Do you understand what r*pe culture means?

Do you know that one in every five women in the United States are r*ped? The statistics are comparable with other western countries as well, and that percentage increases if you are a visible minority, disabled, or financially disadvantaged.

Yes, teenaged boys are discussing raping other boys in a casual, laid back manner as though being raped is no more of a big deal than losing your computer generated space ship in an online game. They hear the word 'r*pe' being used so often and so casually, that if their sister or a classmate steps forwards and says "I was raped', then their first thought is that perhaps the woman (or boy) is over reacting and should just 'get over it'. After all, 'r*pe' just means you were 'defeated', doesn't it?

Isn't getting r*ped exactly the same as getting your computer pixel spaceship blown up? Get over it!

Then those T-shirts that say "It's not ****, it's just a snuggle with a struggle' are no longer offensive, but become witty and amusing.

Then that woman who has to go to the Police station to lay charges against her rapist gets asked by the Police, then later the prosecuting lawyer "What were you wearing at the time?"

Then a prestigious politician in the United States, with a degree to practice medicine to boot, says outrageous things such as "If the woman was legitimately r*ped, the female body has a way to shut the pregnancy down."

When the word 'r*pe' becomes a joke, then the act of r*pe itself becomes acceptable.

Certainly you have a female in your life that you care about very much, such as a girlfriend, wife, mother, sister or daughter. How do you feel about them being subjected to this kind of kind of fear and humiliation? How would you feel if they were r*ped?

How do I, personally feel about commonly used internet jargon, such as mofo, fap or the f-bomb?

Well that is changing the topic a bit, but I will answer.

I don't find it as offensive as the commonly used internet jargon such as the word 'Jew' as a verb, as in 'He really jewed me out of that money', or using the word 'f*g' as an insult, or referring to the Minmatar as 'Space Nigg*rs'.

It's not necessary, it's not funny, it's not clever, it's not 'edgy'. Anyone who uses this kind of language is an idiot.

A friend of mine says that he asked his Grandfather, who was a holocaust survivor, how such a thing could have happened. He told his grandson "It all started with a word."

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.