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Dev blog: Corp Little Things & Friendly Fire Control

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l0rd carlos
This Game Is Terrible
Warlords of the Deep
#21 - 2015-02-09 16:31:02 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
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CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2015-02-09 16:35:28 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
You left out that for new corps that "choose", the defaulted option is FF Off...
Saying that the option is default off is not quite fair as it's simply a check-box in the 'Create Corporation' window and can be changed before the Corp is created.

Here's the window for reference.

Shailagh wrote:
It says in the corp search, you can filter out all the evil FF-ON corps.
Will you be giving us the option to filter out the risk-adverse FF-OFF corps? And only search for FF Enabled corps??

If not, why the disparity?
This was simply done in the same way that the current 'Exclude Corporations in Alliances' checkbox works, and was not intentionally meant to only provide one option and not the other. I agree with you on this, it might be best to give both options, and Ill see if the team agrees and if its feasible for Tiamat.

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-02-09 16:47:45 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
John McCreedy wrote:
How would you like me to take a job in CCP, bring a Cricket bat with me and start tearing up the place, smashing the computers and knocking seven bells out of the staff and laugh as it takes you twenty four hours to get rid of me assuming Hilmar is at work that day? That's what it is to be a CEO in low sec/null sec in Eve.
I'm no expert on the subject but I'm fairly sure our hiring process would mitigate this concern, maybe yours should too? Lol


Yeah, like CCP would hire someone brandishing something as timid as a cricket bat.
CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#24 - 2015-02-09 16:48:13 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Damn son, you're not wrong!

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Jakob Anedalle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-02-09 16:55:16 UTC
I notice that in some screenshots the values for Friendly Fire was "Legal / Illegal" and in some it was "Enable/Disable"

Recommend using one value pair for consistency.

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CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2015-02-09 16:59:14 UTC
Jakob Anedalle wrote:
I notice that in some screenshots the values for Friendly Fire was "Legal / Illegal" and in some it was "Enable/Disable"

Recommend using one value pair for consistency.
Well spotted! This has been changed to "Legal/Illegal" in all cases now, if you do notice any inconsistencies on Singularity or after Tiamat hits TQ feel free to submit a bug report and I'll make sure its fixed.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#27 - 2015-02-09 17:00:46 UTC
how much does concord protection cost?

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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#28 - 2015-02-09 17:07:18 UTC
AWOXing simply meant tackling someone in a shiny ship and cynoing / jumping a hostile fleet on top of them to kill them. Nowadays it is used for pretty much any blue-on-blue spy-related incident.

Please allow the tackling of corp members Cool

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Otherworld Empire
#29 - 2015-02-09 17:13:34 UTC
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Soko99
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-02-09 17:13:43 UTC
So what's the cost of this beautiful CONCORD protection?

After all, everything should have a price. If there's no COST to turning friendly fire OFF, then why would any HS corp ever turn it ON?

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#31 - 2015-02-09 17:19:19 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:

John McCreedy wrote:
How would you like me to take a job in CCP, bring a Cricket bat with me and start tearing up the place, smashing the computers and knocking seven bells out of the staff and laugh as it takes you twenty four hours to get rid of me assuming Hilmar is at work that day? That's what it is to be a CEO in low sec/null sec in Eve.
I'm no expert on the subject but I'm fairly sure our hiring process would mitigate this concern, maybe yours should too? Lol


Comparing hiring in the real world with Eve is a poor idea. In the real world I cannot instantly create a new "me" that totally hides any and all previous bad behavior or criminal activity.

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CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#32 - 2015-02-09 17:22:41 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Lebowski
X posting from the test server feedback thread as its relevant:

CCP Fozzie wrote:
To be blunt, it's a terrible idea to make it optimal to lock yourself into solo play. Everyone loses if we build mechanics like that.

Taxes are also a fairly ineffective method for influencing choices since they apply heavily to some activities while not applying at all to other activities.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#33 - 2015-02-09 17:23:56 UTC
So whats the cost of the CEO turning FF on, thereby giving himself a corp full of free, legal targets?

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Soko99
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-02-09 17:35:33 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
X posting from the forum feedback thread as its relevant:

CCP Fozzie wrote:
To be blunt, it's a terrible idea to make it optimal to lock yourself into solo play. Everyone loses if we build mechanics like that.

Taxes are also a fairly ineffective method for influencing choices since they apply heavily to some activities while not applying at all to other activities.



I still don't see how the fear of being AWOXED locks people into solo play? If you're so risk averse that you don't dare join a corp for fear of being blown up, then why on earth would you even undock? I know a lot of people that have 1 man corps, but none of it is because they're afraid of being blown up, it's just that they want their own corps for whatever reason.

Maybe I'm just old school and am not in touch with the newbies coming into the game, but is making the game less risk averse the solution?
Soko99
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-02-09 17:36:30 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
So whats the cost of the CEO turning FF on, thereby giving himself a corp full of free, legal targets?



GREAT question.

I can already see it.. Create corp, Advertise as FF OFF, bring in a bunch of shiny incursion runners/missioners. Bring in your buddies. turn FF ON and watch the tears.

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#36 - 2015-02-09 17:41:20 UTC
Soko99 wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
So whats the cost of the CEO turning FF on, thereby giving himself a corp full of free, legal targets?



GREAT question.

I can already see it.. Create corp, Advertise as FF OFF, bring in a bunch of shiny incursion runners/missioners. Bring in your buddies. turn FF ON and watch the tears.


You got it. The mitigation is the 24 hour notice. Of course, people need to actually check their notices.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#37 - 2015-02-09 17:42:29 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
Shailagh wrote:
You left out that for new corps that "choose", the defaulted option is FF Off...
Saying that the option is default off is not quite fair as it's simply a check-box in the 'Create Corporation' window and can be changed before the Corp is created.

Here's the window for reference.


Um, yeah it is entirely fair. A checkbox that is presented unchecked is defaulted to off. If the checkbox defaulted to being checked when first presented, it would be fair to say the default is on.

In the spirit of Eve, you really ought to leave it checked by default and let them choose to turn it off. It's right there in their face at corp creation. The default status of any setting says a lot about the developers' intentions - and Eve was originally developed with that setting on.

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-02-09 17:49:11 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Soko99 wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
So whats the cost of the CEO turning FF on, thereby giving himself a corp full of free, legal targets?



GREAT question.

I can already see it.. Create corp, Advertise as FF OFF, bring in a bunch of shiny incursion runners/missioners. Bring in your buddies. turn FF ON and watch the tears.


You got it. The mitigation is the 24 hour notice. Of course, people need to actually check their notices.


Two notices, if I read correctly: one when the 24 hour period begins and one when it ends.
CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#39 - 2015-02-09 17:57:43 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
The default status of any setting says a lot about the developers' intentions - and Eve was originally developed with that setting on.
Saying that suggests that we also intend you to name your corporation after yourself & have a 0% tax rate! Big smile

In all seriousness though I do take your point regarding this, it's just that extrapolating developer intent from the default option is a dangerous game. We expect that many corps will take advantage of the option of concord intervention, whereas many others will want to have the convenience of legal friendly fire. Either option is fine with us, as long as we're sure the consequences of either option are clear.

Ned Thomas wrote:
Two notices, if I read correctly: one when the 24 hour period begins and one when it ends.
Correct!

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Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#40 - 2015-02-09 18:04:00 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
The default status of any setting says a lot about the developers' intentions - and Eve was originally developed with that setting on.
Saying that suggests that we also intend you to name your corporation after yourself & have a 0% tax rate! Big smile

In all seriousness though I do take your point regarding this, it's just that extrapolating developer intent from the default option is a dangerous game. We expect that many corps will take advantage of the option of concord intervention, whereas many others will want to have the convenience of legal friendly fire. Either option is fine with us, as long as we're sure the consequences of either option are clear.

Ned Thomas wrote:
Two notices, if I read correctly: one when the 24 hour period begins and one when it ends.
Correct!

Whats the consequence of turning FF off???

I get you guys dont want a tax, what about a wardec-esque fee? Say 50mill a month?
Give ANY consequence for turning it off please.

Any.
Also which one are you alluding to in your post? What consequences for turning it OFF?