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Instakilled at gate

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The Sun's Anvil
Jednota Inc
#1 - 2015-02-09 12:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: The Sun's Anvil
I thought you always get 60 seconds to sit in cloak and take a situation in after a jump, but yesterday I arrived at a camped gate (0.3 space) and, literally, died instantly, both ship and pod, in seemingly one instant.

Is there some sort of proximity bomb campers can place or something like that?
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#2 - 2015-02-09 12:31:10 UTC
The Sun's Anvil wrote:
I thought you always get 60 seconds to sit in cloak and take a situation in after a jump, but yesterday I arrived at a camped gate (0.5 space) and, literally, died instantly, both ship and pod, in seemingly one instant.

Is there some sort of proximity bomb campers can place or something like that?


Did you move? That drops the gate cloak.
Otherwise to my knowledge the gate cloak is absolute both in terms of invisibility and invulnerability.

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The Sun's Anvil
Jednota Inc
#3 - 2015-02-09 12:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: The Sun's Anvil
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Did you move? That drops the gate cloak.
Otherwise to my knowledge the gate cloak is absolute both in terms of invisibility and invulnerability.


I honestly dont think I did (which is why it struck me as odd). I mean, it really happened so fast I wouldn't have have had a chance to click on anything. I arrived, I saw a flash of light, and the Notification flashed with kill record/insurance entries.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#4 - 2015-02-09 12:49:40 UTC
Sounds like a lag spike to me.

While it's not possible (a bug notwithstanding), that you get insta killed straight after jumping through a gate and while still being cloaked from jumping, you might get lagged enough so that it seems like an insta kill after warping (if you got decloaked somehow).

If you check your killmails, you can see who killed you and with what. Your last death (that appeared on public killboards) was in Tama (and you should have known better than to fly through Tama - maybe get some information first, next time). Your ship was killed by three guys in Confessors (one of them just had a point on you, the second had Dual Light Beam Lasers II and the third weapon didn't register on public killboards). Your pod was killed one minute later by a fourth guy in a Machariel using a Smartbomb. I don't see anything fishy here. (And I checked your other losses, too.)

Probably just bad luck (if everything happened as you say).
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-02-09 13:22:29 UTC
you moved, intentionally or not

pod died in a completely different circumstance, not sure why you're lying about that.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-02-09 14:28:25 UTC
Did you jump through the gate and got killed on the other side ... or ... were you approaching the out-gate and got killed before you could jump?

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#7 - 2015-02-09 14:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: embrel
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
not sure why you're lying about that.


Eve's standard paranoia...

I doubt that OP is conscously lying, but if you're new things are happening fast, so not really necessary to come with suspicions just yet.

EDIT: OP: but you already jumped? as you write you arrived at the gate... if it was at the outgate, then it was a smartbomber (try flying thru Rancer (or is box of love now box of hate due to IS-Boxer?))
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#8 - 2015-02-09 15:36:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Tipa Riot wrote:
Did you jump through the gate and got killed on the other side ... or ... were you approaching the out-gate and got killed before you could jump?


To be honest, that was my first thought as well ("I arrived at a camped gate"), but OP writes "after a jump" and knows about the 60 second timer (hell, even I had to look that up as to be sure not to confuse it with the 30 second undock timer) so he clearly means after jumping through.

Also no way in hell someone can possibly believe he has a 60 second cloak timer when warping to a gate (otherwise the connection of getting killed while approaching the Gate with the natural cloak after a jump makes no sense at all)!


Edit: OP, were you perchance flying on Autopilot?
That might explain instadecloaking without you touching keyboard or mouse...

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Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-02-09 16:01:36 UTC
looking at your kills on zkillboard, it looks like you messed something up, uncloaked, and was promptly scrammed and killed.
your pod was smartbombed though.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-02-09 16:03:56 UTC
The Sun's Anvil wrote:
Is there some sort of proximity bomb campers can place or something like that?

Yes - kind of. Your pod was killed by a smartbombing Machariel. Smart bombs do area of effect damage and don't need to target you so they are great for catching pods.

From your killboard, your heron was nabbed by 3 confessors 1 minute (anywhere from 0-60 seconds) before your pod got smart bombed. I'm guessing you either unintentionally moved or let your 60 second timer expire, got alphaed by the confessors, and then the machariel cleaned up your pod immediately.

Most likely cases
-60 seconds expired (it's shorter than you think)
-You accidentally double clicked or hit a movement hotkey. My old mouse used to randomly double click all the time when I asked for single clicks and sometimes got me in a lot of trouble.

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Baggo Hammers
#11 - 2015-02-09 16:32:20 UTC
You got blowed up. Game must be broken. Makes sense to me!

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#12 - 2015-02-09 17:08:45 UTC
The gate cloak only works if it isn't invalidated either by you moving or by you being within 2000m of any object or ship in space. That means that if you had the misfortune to spawn too close to some object, you don't get a gate cloak at all. Such an occurrence is quite rare but not unheard of. Large and well prepared gatecamps can increase the odds of de-cloaking passers-by by jettisoning objects around the gate, or deploying all their drones and orbiting. The wreckage and corpses of previous victims also can decloak you.

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The Sun's Anvil
Jednota Inc
#13 - 2015-02-09 17:21:21 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Your pod was killed by a smartbombing Machariel. Smart bombs do area of effect damage and don't need to target you so they are great for catching pods. (...) From your killboard, your heron was nabbed by 3 confessors 1 minute (anywhere from 0-60 seconds) before your pod got smart bombed.


Thanks for noting that. So it is possible, particularly for a noob, for the ship/pod kill to be so close together as to seem almost like a single fluid bang.

Haedonism Bot wrote:
That means that if you had the misfortune to spawn too close to some object, you don't get a gate cloak at all. Such an occurrence is quite rare but not unheard of.


Makes sense. Thanks for chiming in.
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#14 - 2015-02-09 18:22:16 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
The gate cloak only works if it isn't invalidated either by you moving or by you being within 2000m of any object or ship in space. That means that if you had the misfortune to spawn too close to some object, you don't get a gate cloak at all. Such an occurrence is quite rare but not unheard of.


I don't think that's true. You should be totally invulnerable during your 60 second timer.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#15 - 2015-02-09 18:24:26 UTC
Phig Neutron wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
The gate cloak only works if it isn't invalidated either by you moving or by you being within 2000m of any object or ship in space. That means that if you had the misfortune to spawn too close to some object, you don't get a gate cloak at all. Such an occurrence is quite rare but not unheard of.


I don't think that's true. You should be totally invulnerable during your 60 second timer.


Oh, it is true. I can confirm from personal experience.

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Snowman The Jimmy
The Awoken
Sigma Grindset
#16 - 2015-02-09 19:51:17 UTC
Phig Neutron wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
The gate cloak only works if it isn't invalidated either by you moving or by you being within 2000m of any object or ship in space. That means that if you had the misfortune to spawn too close to some object, you don't get a gate cloak at all. Such an occurrence is quite rare but not unheard of.


I don't think that's true. You should be totally invulnerable during your 60 second timer.


Yeah, it's very true. you're only invulnerable while you are cloaked. If you get bumped you loose your cloak and can be locked up.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#17 - 2015-02-09 20:07:28 UTC
Snowman The Jimmy wrote:
Phig Neutron wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
The gate cloak only works if it isn't invalidated either by you moving or by you being within 2000m of any object or ship in space. That means that if you had the misfortune to spawn too close to some object, you don't get a gate cloak at all. Such an occurrence is quite rare but not unheard of.


I don't think that's true. You should be totally invulnerable during your 60 second timer.


Yeah, it's very true. you're only invulnerable while you are cloaked. If you get bumped you loose your cloak and can be locked up.



Haedonism Bot wrote:
Phig Neutron wrote:

I don't think that's true. You should be totally invulnerable during your 60 second timer.


Oh, it is true. I can confirm from personal experience.



So this is explicitely wrong then?

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Timers#Gate_cloak_timer

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#18 - 2015-02-09 20:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Snowman The Jimmy wrote:
Phig Neutron wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
The gate cloak only works if it isn't invalidated either by you moving or by you being within 2000m of any object or ship in space. That means that if you had the misfortune to spawn too close to some object, you don't get a gate cloak at all. Such an occurrence is quite rare but not unheard of.


I don't think that's true. You should be totally invulnerable during your 60 second timer.
Yeah, it's very true. you're only invulnerable while you are cloaked. If you get bumped you loose your cloak and can be locked up.

You can't be bumped while under gate cloak.

I've come though a gate in a freighter and landed on top of another freighter, and not moved. As soon as my gate cloak was gone, my ship suddenly was bumped.

Effectively your ship doesn't exist while under gate cloak.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-02-09 20:42:43 UTC
confirming ships pass right through you during gate cloak
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-02-09 20:50:00 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
confirming ships pass right through you during gate cloak

Yes they do.

Before the mass-based spawning changes it used to be quite common to spawn within 2000 m of a wormhole, which would decloak you in any other situation. Drones and cans are used to prevent people from cloaking AFTER they break gate-cloak, not to break it in the first place.

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