Player Features and Ideas Discussion

[this post is in the context of roaming gangs]


Do you guys remember when the t1 battlecruisers where the kings?
Drakes and Hurricanes was the goto ship of their time. [1200m/s ish]

To be able to survive with fewer numbers than the enemy, the speed factor became more important for small gangs.
Putting 2 x nanos in the lows became the norm. [1400m/s]

After that era, the Attack BC reigned New Eden. Being much faster than Drakes and Canes they could outgun them keeping out of and scram / web range. [1600-1700m/s]

Later a buff to Hacs and they became the new kings, "ishtar online" and all that. Now to be able to survive you have a meta of about 1850 m/s. The navy issue cruisers didn't make the speed any less importat either.
Assault frigates pretty much died out with this change too.


Now the next generation of fleet doctrins are slowly taking over that reach 2100m/s+ in average, with Gilas, Curses, Orthruses, t3 destroyers etc.


Me, I Iove speed but I also see this becoming a problem with less options and entire hull classes being unusuable.
I'd love to do battleships sometime, they have the range do kill thoose faster kiting ships but who wants do drag around them in a fleet with their slow warp and align (only exception is the Machariel).

Battlecruisers are more or less a dead hull too. Can't really catch stuff and the weapons range is a bit bad compared to all the new breeds.

Maby HACs also are going to be seen as too slow with time and dissapear into the scrap heap.



So to inject some new life into the AF, BC and BS hulls, something needs to be done about the speed meta before is getting even more out of control.

Incase of some drug related activities, i agree!


Agreeing with the Op aswell, dont forget the 2008 18km/s snake'd vagabonds....

The real issue is: it is balanced on micro level, but it go's wrong in fleets when you put too much togheter... taht actualy means that there anrt enough sandbox solutions to be used in a rock paper sissor manner on fleeting level. Thus how about webbyfieing interdictor sphere bubbles? (i know i am brilliant sometimes, no thx, really)

According to my PYFA a Fleet Stabber can get 18km/s with links and Snakes and overheat.
I could see a webbing script for HICs instead of a droppable bubble, but that might be something for another thread.

TBH I have no idea how to make more classes viable again. There are probably not one easy fix.

Maby the only solution would be for the balance team to go into a tweaking phase and adjust the knobs, now when they are pretty much done with the bigger "rebalance" phase.

Maby even make HML viable again :-P

Yeah absolutly. The Ishtar is probably the prime example of applying damage at long ranges makeing it OP.

Looking at the Cynabal before the tracking enhance nerf, it was really great with combining speed and decent dps at long ranges. Now its just half decent fast but kind of bad of using it's dps further out than 20k.

If the battlecruiser gain more range they could at least compensate for their slow speed.

This is space. Things are supposed to be fast. Our space shuttles IRL travel faster than our 1000s of years more advanced ships, and thats without a MWD.

Speed is fine, we need less armor sitting mechanics (like slowcats).

Nerf velocity bonus of 10MN prop mods.

Tweak fitting requirements for 100MN so that BCs can more readily fit them (but not in a way that makes it easy for cruisers to fit them).

I generally dislike role boni, but bonusing 10MN specifically on BC hulls could work.

That said, my thought process originally was; nerf the current speed meta on smaller hulls without nerfing larger hulls at all.

Turret and missile tracking is affected by speed.