Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Down to insults so soon?

Would be nice if it were true. No, I just stated the obvious. EVE is a game, there is no risk involved, if it was even just remotely fun, it was worth it.

I simply cannot understand how you can be cowed into sitting around doing nothing for hours on end because of some random dude that might or might not actually be there.

EDIT: also, you're not the only one who can edit his posts.

Because I did not sit around cowed, there you go again!

EDIT: Its a question of risk, I take risks, but my main issue was I just do not want to give someone a damn easy kill where I have no chance to get one back, up until the time I was camped by NCDOT. I had the feeling I could get a kill, but this guy was so good at his executions BLOPS style and so risk adverse at a sniff of any setup that it was impossible. So at that point I decided to wait him out, the risk was 100% for me and 0.01% for him. Fear no, I just looked at the impossibility and said.no point...

So I guess cloaking is fine then, since there is nothing you actually seem to complain about, no?

There are alot of good reasons not to impement an afk flag but i wont go into them, since this is not a thread about afk-flagging or your personal emotional imbalances.


If you say so, all my arguments vanish and crumble before your majestic ego.



just the fact that you see the word fear as a personal attack shows alot. Noone called you a coward or anything, everyone is afraid, most just manage it better.



All you are suggesting is a half-assed idea that would supposedly solve only your own fear management problem and create alot of real problems for others.

Even if you got your afk flag you would soon find out that someone can pretend to be afk and then gruesomely murder you, which would start a whole new cycle of your whining.

I did my best to reason, but really, not worth it, enough with you.

Why should anyone feel safer? If someone manages to track down a cloaky, blow them up and pod them. They have earned the right to feel safer till that person returns. This is why I advocate being able to take an aggressive stance towards cloaks. I see nothing wrong with the idea of using scan probes to locate a cloaky. Cloaky can still use d-scan, and if they choose to stand still and be probed down, that is their own issue. Not saying its the best option but it is the one I like and the one I prefer to support.

Also on top of that, this is the Features & Ideas forum. I am well aware that this is current how the game works. That is why I am here suggesting a change.

My suggestion of cloak specific combat probes does very little to effect the overall use of cloak. Explores are always on the move, bombers are also always on the move, same with recons. At best this would eliminate the AFK cloaker completely as they would be easy to find.



I dont understand the point in this statement. I am ok with losing ships, but why would I just toss a ship out to be lost. Why would I feed a would be killer with free kills. He is likely to come back. Look at players like CtrlFreak who frequent the old IRC areas cause its been a fertile area for kills. PVPers arent stupid. They are looking for kills. A red killboad for an alliance means its likely they are easy targets. Feeding out ship kills is not wise.

well, as delegate above me stated, cloak-probes would not even allow an explorer to scan, being on the move doesnt help if all you can do is move. It would ruin exploration as an activity alltogether. Not to mention all cloak related activities. What you suggest actually negates cloaking, i mean, whats the point in having cloaks if there are special probes to detect them? its redundant mechanics that cancel each other out.

Also, i know people are obsessed with their killboards for some reason, but look at the bigger picture.
Once you get past the "image hit" of having a ship blown up you can see its benefits. It worked really well for me, I just added a bait ships cost to the operational expenses, just like, say, ammo. By throwing the dog a bone, I was able to use my 1bil Loki to make billions instead of just waiting around and getting pissed off at some guy that wont go away.
Will he leave? who knows, maybe. But wasnt the original problem that he wouldn't go away in the first place?

As for the PvPers arent stupid remark, well. All i can say is that you give them too much credit. They are people, and like all people some are stupid and some are not. The point is what are you prepared to do to outmaneuver them.

after alot of waiting, frustration and despair, i started experimenting. And I found a tactic that sometimes works, for me at least.
There are other things one can try, like leading the hunter into a trap. Or just ignore them and go about your business. most of the time, an afk cloaker is just a reminder that you should always be vigilant. If d-scan kept me safe for two years in a c3, im sure it can do the same for you in null, even with some dude afking out there.

sorry if i sound preachy, it was not my intent.

instead of just saying "what youre proposing is stupid" I am also putting alternatives out there, things you might try to solve your problem before actually proposing to remove cloaks from the game because you dont feel comfortable around them. And dont go "no im not, i just proposed probes that can track cloakers" because its the same thing.

now, if you feel the correct way to go is to dismiss anything i propose, some of which may be crap, but some of which i have successfully done already, and keep asking for the removal of whole game chunks that dont suit you, go right ahead.

all i am trying to say is that there are always other options to proposing a change that would ruin gameplay for many. sometimes a small change could be convenient to us, but that change might not be as small as we thought.

Well its a lot better than nerfing cloaks with fuel requirements which I am against, the issue is the AFK and as many people said in this thread and others, oh you are scared of someone not at the keyboard, well mark it as so and see what happens.

If you had read my suggestion earlier you would have noticed that I dealt with people gaming this mechanism, which I accept so if you think that is whining think again, you don't even read proposals before commenting do you?

I am against the blanket AFK camping of people logging in before heading to work and those leaving it on when they go to bed, the whole idea is to make it easier to ascertain when they are likely to be inactive, but its not total security. Yes its an improvement in intel which will upset people who don't like local, but many of them stated "But he is AFK so why does it affect you", so that deals with that, of course they don't like it.

Thing is you people never quit, you just post it as a threat.

We already have plenty of tactics we can use to deal with AFK cloakers and blops gangs.