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multiple accounts in need of a unified Account Management facility

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Deadly Works
Bushwood Country Club
#1 - 2015-02-05 22:32:13 UTC
5 years ago
- almost exactly I set up my first account. This was a tentative step into a new gaming world, one that I am still dipping in and out of.

Over the last 5 years I have made more accounts, trained more characters, trained more rookies in corps, and accumulated a wealth of isk and characters to fit specific roles.

The problem is:
- each new account has a new email address. Each new account has 3 characters developed to fit a role. Each character needs training at some point in time. Each character needs to be running simultaneously depending on their role(s).

Yes we have PLEX for multiple character training but what I have is 14 characters over 5 subscription accounts and it is hard to give pilots the time of day or the training required.

The question:
- when can we see a single amalgamated true management portal whereby I can not only manage my 5 accounts in one place but also allow free movement of SUB-characters (not the mains) between accounts?

Example:
- I cannot keep 5 subscriptions alive full time at most I will have 3 live 2 dormant or vice-vesra. On the live accounts 2 main chars may be actively ganking and the third live account is a miner with no scout chars. Hmmm. Aha! But I have 5 more scouts spread across my dormant accounts. No problem! Log onto account management and swap a sleeping char onto a live account. Log off miner, log on scout!

When I started playing, everyone said "only have one account and 1 main char it's too much effort having more than one". And then CCP came along and said "The Power of Two" - set up a helping account!?

So I set up 5 accounts. 5 years and 14 characters later I know I am one among many who will have the same issues and would really relish a way to manage all accounts in one location.

I look forward to hearing your views, the views of others, and all feedback.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#2 - 2015-02-05 22:53:16 UTC
2 plex to swap characters between accounts. Already exists, it's just not free.
If you want the ability of characters on different accounts you should have to pay for it if you later decide you've had enough of that power and want to merge them.
Iain Cariaba
#3 - 2015-02-05 23:04:30 UTC
Nope. Either keep the accounts active or not have access to those characters. All your idea does is bypass the 3 character per account limit. Even though I, too, have multiple accounts in various states of activness, I cannot support your idea.
Deadly Works
Bushwood Country Club
#4 - 2015-02-06 00:24:46 UTC
Gentlemen! Thank you for your responses!

Even if there was some good reason to keep my 5 accounts active and therefore unrestricted access to the characters therein this does not solve the problem of freely moving characters (except the mains) between accounts and or give the ability to manage the 5 paid subscriptions from one account management sign-in.

Nor can it be feasible to pay 2 PLEX a time to move a character if and when you feel you need to move multiple times. I don't see why there should be encouragement to have more than one account and then punitive restrictions on the ability to move or manage characters within the scope of your accounts. Be they active or disabled.

I understand the statement of "Either keep the accounts active or not have access to those characters" when I was working part time and could easily play and use 5 active accounts but now there just isn't the need or the time and I usually just focus on 2 - 3 accounts at a time...but there is no way you can convince me that paying and keeping active an account just to use a character for a 15 minute scout run makes sense.

If it's a case of making sure there are restrictions so that people do not abuse a proposed system then so be it but I guarantee you that there will come a time when those who have invested in multiple accounts will want more flexibility and for free or players will simply dismiss the notion of the power of two...or more than two.

Let me give you another example:

I have 3 active accounts - one of my characters is a sub (ALT) character to my main which means to access the ALT I have to log out my main and vice versa constantly until I achieve the goal such is the case if my ALT is mission running and my main is boosting, salvaging, remote repping, and providing support & firepower. That is his purpose. Ideally I would swap out my ALT to my other active account without penalty and then my main and ALT can mission side by side.

You then respond: well what about your other 2 active accounts?

And I say: 1 is in null sec or WH cuz he is the capital pilot for WH defense, for whatever reason the other is a miner with limited to no missioning skills because he is (by design) a pro miner, or a scout, or bait or whatever, and therefore not suitable for the role.

By aforementioned logic I would have to pay to activate a 4th account and or pay PLEX to transfer characters to facilitate 20 minutes of salvaging.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-02-06 12:30:06 UTC
So you want to have extra characters in space which are all on a single account? You want to achieve this without paying anything?

No. You pay per account, not per character, accounts have limits which are set by CCP regarding the characters on them. If you want to move characters about, you pay 2 PLEX every time.
Mark Androcius
#6 - 2015-02-06 14:41:53 UTC
In all honesty, I think the multiple account thing should go completely.
Yes, you can have multiple accounts, yes you can have them running at the same time, NO you can't have more then 1 in space at any time.
Deadly Works
Bushwood Country Club
#7 - 2015-02-07 00:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Deadly Works
Mark Androcius - as CCP actively encouraged multiple accounts you cannot now take that away from people who have paid for and invested time and money into their accounts.

Adrie Atticus - I think you mis-read and misunderstand the point(s) I was trying to get across.

Overall I have never implied not wanting to pay to have active accounts - that is absurd and I ALWAYS pay to have 1 or more accounts running.

What I said was that I couldn't always afford and/or see the point to have all 5 accounts running when I don't play as often as I used to.

I furthermore went on to say that it would be beneficial to be able to have a single facility in account management to manage my 5 subscriptions and my 14 chars.

I am not asking for a workaround or a cheat to avoid paying PLEX - what I don't want is to pay for 2 PLEX per character to move them around active and dormant accounts. That is ridiculous.

I'm not hearing from people who have multiple accounts as I'd also like to hear their point of view.

By the way 2 x PLEX is £30GBP - if in one sitting I wanted to shuffle 9 ALTs it would cost me £270. This may sit well with some people who have money to burn but ultimately that would by me a PS4 and some other games.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#8 - 2015-02-07 00:33:53 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
In all honesty, I think the multiple account thing should go completely.
Yes, you can have multiple accounts, yes you can have them running at the same time, NO you can't have more then 1 in space at any time.



Ahhhh.... class envy. How cute.
Deadly Works
Bushwood Country Club
#9 - 2015-02-07 00:40:07 UTC
LOL
Cora Namoor
Anson Astrometrics And Assembly
#10 - 2015-02-10 15:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cora Namoor
I think they should look at account management and multiboxing a little more and redefine the limits. One big gripe for new players is they will never catchup to 10 yr bittervets, another issue is some people live on a budget and can't afford to multibox accounts for years at a time to build their skill base up. How about changing the system again like they did with multiple character training. Let players use plex to speed up character training to catchup. Let players use multiboxing with one character cost plex you get limited use and requires new skills under informorph psychology. So a solo account drake pilot could bring 3 drakes into a DED for quicker Isk creation. Yes this could be used to field multiple Titans with the same pilot, but still requires a good pc, good skills and nerves. CCP gets more plex sales and people get easier kills vs the multiboxers. Most 10 yr players have most of the skills maxed out anyways. They have nothing to fear but more ppl on their lvl.

If a ten yr vet spent 1800$ on subs roughly to date then a new player would need to apply 1800$ of plex to their account to catchup and there should be a limit to how much of a plex training multiplier can be applied monthly. For the solo toon multiboxers the plex would only last so many hours and now character training would not be allowed since multiple memories overlapped for the same period would cause psychosis.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#11 - 2015-02-10 16:14:08 UTC
Cora Namoor wrote:
I think they should look at account management and multiboxing a little more and redefine the limits. One big gripe for new players is they will never catchup to 10 yr bittervets, another issue is some people live on a budget and can't afford to multibox accounts for years at a time to build their skill base up. How about changing the system again like they did with multiple character training. Let players use plex to speed up character training to catchup. Let players use multiboxing with one character cost plex you get limited use and requires new skills under informorph psychology. So a solo account drake pilot could bring 3 drakes into a DED for quicker Isk creation. Yes this could be used to field multiple Titans with the same pilot, but still requires a good pc, good skills and nerves. CCP gets more plex sales and people get easier kills vs the multiboxers. Most 10 yr players have most of the skills maxed out anyways. They have nothing to fear but more ppl on their lvl.

If a ten yr vet spent 1800$ on subs roughly to date then a new player would need to apply 1800$ of plex to their account to catchup and there should be a limit to how much of a plex training multiplier can be applied monthly. For the solo toon multiboxers the plex would only last so many hours and now character training would not be allowed since multiple memories overlapped for the same period would cause psychosis.


Nooooo. Pay for SP is one of the absolute worst ideas that regularly crops up on the forums.

A constant, time based progression is the cornerstone of EVE, that you can set it down and pick it up at will without worrying that you are not gaining experience without playing. Paying ISK for SP through plex allows direct conversion from money to SP, which is a big NO in EVE.

P.S: People complained that "they would never catch up" back in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, and people are still complaining about it.

And it's been false this entire time. It takes a few months to knock out core fitting skills, but once there, you can basically jump into any ship besides caps and scaps in the game and fly it well within another three months or so.

If you want to have a high SP character, take the ISK, and buy a character off the Character Bazaar. But someone needs to to have trained up that character first.

None of that Level 90 boost WoW bullshit.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#12 - 2015-02-10 18:24:24 UTC
This all seems kind of silly to me. On a basic level, you pay for 30 days of game time. What you get: The ability to swap between 3 characters on that account. With the basic subscription you can only have one character training at a time. You do have the option to train more, but again, the smallest block to train them is 30 days and you have to pay for it.

It seems like you're looking to have the ability to swap inactive characters in and out of an active account to skip paying for all 5 at the same time. Taking it a bit further I'm assuming you're here in F&I to do some rabble rousing to help bring home the bacon.

Poor planning on your part using moving up from part time to full time as a reason to not need (or be able) to utilize all 5 accounts based on reduced playtime. If you could afford 5 when you were part time, then I'll assume you can afford 5 with greater financial ease now that you are full time.

The only change you really NEED to make is move your number of active characters up to a respectable 15.... I mean really, you're wasting 1/3 of your options on that last account by only filling 2 of the 3 character slots.

TL/DR: CCP will let you scam Jita all day long, but they aren't going to go out of their way and do a lot of coding so you don't have to pay full price for 5 accounts.
Deadly Works
Bushwood Country Club
#13 - 2015-02-12 23:11:55 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
This all seems kind of silly to me. On a basic level, you pay for 30 days of game time. What you get: The ability to swap between 3 characters on that account. With the basic subscription you can only have one character training at a time. You do have the option to train more, but again, the smallest block to train them is 30 days and you have to pay for it.

It seems like you're looking to have the ability to swap inactive characters in and out of an active account to skip paying for all 5 at the same time. Taking it a bit further I'm assuming you're here in F&I to do some rabble rousing to help bring home the bacon.

Poor planning on your part using moving up from part time to full time as a reason to not need (or be able) to utilize all 5 accounts based on reduced playtime. If you could afford 5 when you were part time, then I'll assume you can afford 5 with greater financial ease now that you are full time.

The only change you really NEED to make is move your number of active characters up to a respectable 15.... I mean really, you're wasting 1/3 of your options on that last account by only filling 2 of the 3 character slots.

TL/DR: CCP will let you scam Jita all day long, but they aren't going to go out of their way and do a lot of coding so you don't have to pay full price for 5 accounts.


Again thank you for your comments - this one in particular ran hot and cold with me.

Serendipity Lost

Your comments, whilst somewhat valid, unerringly focus on my ability or lack of it thereof to fund 5 accounts.

Let's make something clear - this is not about the ability to pay for and run 5 accounts. Yes I can do that now, no I don't feel the need to.

The key facts are simple:

1. the ability to MANAGE 5 accounts from one logon

2. the ability to move ALTS around between live and dormant accounts

- never did training come up in this although I can see
the benefit of that I'm sure some it will get abused and therefore from day one CCP can implement pretty coding to enforce
single character training or prevent you from training a char if it's not on its original account.

I may or may not have mentioned that I am working full time - that being my reason for not running 5 accounts - full time, 6 days a week, a wife and two kids. That's why I don't spend 12 hour days playing EVE anymore and therefore there is no need to run 5 subscriptions. I do rotate accounts and keep my main running every month without fail.

So let's stick to the facts. Setting up ALT/char number 15 is a waste of time as I cannot think of a role it can play in EVE that would also warrant another active account to train that char.
Deadly Works
Bushwood Country Club
#14 - 2015-02-12 23:23:45 UTC
Cora Namoor wrote:
I think they should look at account management and multiboxing a little more and redefine the limits. One big gripe for new players is they will never catchup to 10 yr bittervets, another issue is some people live on a budget and can't afford to multibox accounts for years at a time to build their skill base up. How about changing the system again like they did with multiple character training. Let players use plex to speed up character training to catchup. Let players use multiboxing with one character cost plex you get limited use and requires new skills under informorph psychology. So a solo account drake pilot could bring 3 drakes into a DED for quicker Isk creation. Yes this could be used to field multiple Titans with the same pilot, but still requires a good pc, good skills and nerves. CCP gets more plex sales and people get easier kills vs the multiboxers. Most 10 yr players have most of the skills maxed out anyways. They have nothing to fear but more ppl on their lvl.

If a ten yr vet spent 1800$ on subs roughly to date then a new player would need to apply 1800$ of plex to their account to catchup and there should be a limit to how much of a plex training multiplier can be applied monthly. For the solo toon multiboxers the plex would only last so many hours and now character training would not be allowed since multiple memories overlapped for the same period would cause psychosis.


Cora I get where you're coming from but CCP have always stipulated that you cannot spend money to give your character ability above and beyond what any other character cannot train up for naturally or earn in game through one method or another.

But among other things that constant development and moulding of your character is what makes you identify with it and that's why training is so fundamental - it is you crafting a being from nothing. Actually to voice your comment 3 drakes in a DED is no mean feat if you are running solo! You should use that as motivation for new players, not suggest they pay to fast forward :)
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#15 - 2015-02-13 01:03:14 UTC
If you want access to a character, keep its account active. No subscription, no access. Transferring characters cost two PLEX and that is fine. All is working as it should.

Next thread, please.
Deadly Works
Bushwood Country Club
#16 - 2015-02-16 21:51:05 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
If you want access to a character, keep its account active. No subscription, no access. Transferring characters cost two PLEX and that is fine. All is working as it should.

Next thread, please.


Yes, yes, yes, whatever. You obviously don't have an issue keeping an account alive irrespective of the amount of gameplay you anticipate getting for your money. Good for you.

Now how about a unified account management?

I don't get the tunnel vision - there are two points I raised; any thoughts on a unified account so that I don't have to log on 5 times to manage disparate accounts?

I fail to see how CCP thought discussing this with my fellow pilots was going to enlighten me.

OK point here please - if I have paid for and made all five accounts active are you saying it's fair play to pay 2 x PLEX to temporarily move an ALT from one account to another for a few hours before returning it to its original account?
Deadly Works
Bushwood Country Club
#17 - 2015-02-16 22:06:48 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco I've read a lot of your posts and you've got quite alot. You're a long time player like myself
so I'm a little surprised your comment wasn't more conscious of my, like yours, vetran status. My thread isn't some pissant newbie bemoaning costs or mechanics.

I would have expected a more mature point of view because I took the time to read your posts; I know you're capable.
Instead you just commented some dismissive trolling nonsense that I had already discounted as
being relevant from someone else's post.

But hey maybe you're right... I must be the only person in my situation therefore it doesn't warrant any time or thought.

Blink
Funaki Akachi
It is really them
#18 - 2015-02-16 22:34:30 UTC
Unified accont management - yeah, I can see that. At least let us skip the logoff / login thing on linked accounts.

Shuffling your characters about for free - No. I can see why you would want to do that, but if you want to control 14 characters, you have to pay for the corresponding 5+ accounts. If you want more flexibility, get more accounts.
And stop making a difference between mains and alts - they're all characters and therefore treated equally, regardless of amount of SP.
Deadly Works
Bushwood Country Club
#19 - 2015-02-16 23:55:51 UTC
Funaki Akachi wrote:
Unified account management - yeah, I can see that. At least let us skip the logoff / login thing on linked accounts.

Shuffling your characters about for free - No. I can see why you would want to do that, but if you want to control 14 characters, you have to pay for the corresponding 5+ accounts. If you want more flexibility, get more accounts.
And stop making a difference between mains and alts - they're all characters and therefore treated equally, regardless of amount of SP.



Thanks man that is a positive post tyvm - I sense the general populace must think and feel the same as you.

Which is fair enough - I'm sorry to have to flog a dead horse so to speak.

Funak this char (Deadly Works) is my number 1 and on that account is also my main null sec scout and my main WH cloaky scanner alt. That's just how my gameplay developed I really didn't know any better! Ahem...steep leaning curve.

SO making 4 more accounts active does not give me access to them. By player logic I should pay 4 x PLEX to move those chars and another £20 to bring online my sleeper accounts to give me use of them. If I only use those alts twice in a month because that's about the time I get these days - I'm effectively throwing money away.

If the 5 accounts were fully paid up and active and, OK, there being no char greater than the other what is the harm of moving chars around (even temporarily)?

It's not an exploit or some means of getting around a ban -

Analogy: in Windows server Active Directory accounts can be disabled and still be moved around OU container groups and sub-containers without compromising or enhancing any account or group status.