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Industrial ship rebalance

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Violent Uprising
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-02-05 15:39:16 UTC
First, I'd like to thank CCP for the well thought out rebalance of the Tier 1 industrials. Good job giving them focused roles! However, if I recall right, there were several indusrials which disappeared, namely, the medium industrials of the Caldari and Ammar lines.

I have an idea to toss out to revive one of these scrapped hulls. Have a medium sized general carrier, faster than an Iteron 5 with a smaller cargo capacity, slower than an Iteron 1 with a lager cargo capacity. It also can carry 1 (one) fitted frigate. My thought is, the frigate is mounted on external skid clamps/tractor beams (kind of like a US Navy cruiser carries a helicopter), therefore only 1 frigate sized ship can be carried.

I am sure that creative players would think up uses for such a combo. Here are a few to illustrate my idea a bit more fully.

Docking and pulling out your scout frig to see what the next gate or 2 are like, saving an insta-dock - insta-undock set, etc is only the most obvious use.

Running a "paper route" where you have multiple bids out for things "within 5 jumps" of multiple systems, say Malluker, Rens and Hek. Use your frig to pick up your purchases, loading them (and the frig) aboard the Indy, Fly to the next center of purchases, rinse, repeat.....

Set up a temporary base of operations to run level 1-2 security missions. The Indy can carry reloads of drones and ammo, mission fit hardeners, etc to allow the mission fit frig to grind standing until you can run level 4's for that corp.

As above, but for PvP, carrying your supplies to take out your wardec's POS, camp their home station or whatever.

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#2 - 2015-02-05 16:04:31 UTC
Cant you just use an alt on a different account in frigate? It would be a heck of a lot more convenient than managing everything with just one character.
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#3 - 2015-02-05 16:06:43 UTC
Quote:
well thought out rebalance of the Tier 1 industrials


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That was a joke, right?

...right?

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Violent Uprising
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-02-05 16:08:55 UTC
You could. That is an option. I probably won't use the ship myself, I'm trying to think of interesting things to do with the "abandoned hulls" to bring them back into the game, and I think this would be a viable niche in some cases.

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#5 - 2015-02-05 16:15:31 UTC
wrong section, imho. You should probably post this in suggestions section. And suffer rapid disappering of your post under swarm of other "meaningfull" suggestions.
Small and agile industrial with hangar, even small one, will heavily misused in many possible way. On the other hand hangar in Nestor, even if it can hold only 1 fitted frigate (yes, including rigs), would be reason to buy this other way very overpriced ship...
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2015-02-05 16:20:58 UTC
Dude the sigil is excellent,
fill the lows with half nanos And half warp core stabs, cloak in the highs and a microwarp and for all intents and purposes you have a cheap blockade runner.
seriously I couldn't be arsed training for t2 hauling when I dance past wartargets and gatecamps with this.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the amarrian haulers.

Violent Uprising
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-02-05 16:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Violent Uprising
erg cz wrote:
wrong section, imho. You should probably post this in suggestions section. And suffer rapid disappering of your post under swarm of other "meaningfull" suggestions.
Small and agile industrial with hangar, even small one, will heavily misused in many possible way. On the other hand hangar in Nestor, even if it can hold only 1 fitted frigate (yes, including rigs), would be reason to buy this other way very overpriced ship...



You're probably right about it being posted in the wrong section of the forums.... So, yeah, move it if you wish, Moderators.

Also, "misused" is often used instead of "used in a way we didn't expect" or "used in a way which harms me/us." But EVE is not intended to be safe and friendly....

Also, I agree that this would also be good on a Nestor instead of that refitting bay.

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Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2015-02-05 16:42:48 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Quote:
well thought out rebalance of the Tier 1 industrials


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That was a joke, right?

...right?

As someone who both kills and uses them all the time, I feel they are very well balanced to the current meta if you put one iota of thought into what you are doing and have made yourself aware of the dangers that exist.

Would you care to elaborate on what is not balanced?

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Violent Uprising
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-02-05 16:48:44 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Quote:
well thought out rebalance of the Tier 1 industrials


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That was a joke, right?

...right?

As someone who both kills and uses them all the time, I feel they are very well balanced to the current meta if you put one iota of thought into what you are doing and have made yourself aware of the dangers that exist.

Would you care to elaborate on what is not balanced?



Agreed. The dedicated holds free up both the lows and the rigs for other uses.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#10 - 2015-02-05 21:51:07 UTC
What hulls is he talking about?

There was never any more than 2 Amarr and Caldari indies.

The Badger Mk II was renamed and that was about it.

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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-02-05 23:30:14 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
What hulls is he talking about?

There was never any more than 2 Amarr and Caldari indies.

The Badger Mk II was renamed and that was about it.

Indeed. No ships much less hulls were removed during the rebalance.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#12 - 2015-02-05 23:41:29 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
What hulls is he talking about?

There was never any more than 2 Amarr and Caldari indies.

The Badger Mk II was renamed and that was about it.


I still don't like the way they rename stuff... dunno if I'm about to warp in on a hauler or an AT prize ship Oops

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Trey Kutoi
SergalJerk
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#13 - 2015-02-06 04:42:56 UTC
Xercodo wrote:


The Badger Mk II was renamed and that was about it.


what about glorious Iterations of Iteron 1-5?
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#14 - 2015-02-06 05:55:15 UTC
The only thing I saw missing from the Industrial changes was a Blockade runner with a 60K hold (like the transport fleet hanger) but for moon mats only. T1 variants, sure whatever. I've got 12 characters with Transport IV, Cloak IV it doesn't effect me but throw one in.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#15 - 2015-02-06 09:44:56 UTC
This smells like a tuned down version of the Orca
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#16 - 2015-02-06 11:01:46 UTC
Trey Kutoi wrote:
Xercodo wrote:


The Badger Mk II was renamed and that was about it.


what about glorious Iterations of Iteron 1-5?

3 more renames with specialised holds - still can't remember which name matches which ship Sad
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#17 - 2015-02-06 11:07:25 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Trey Kutoi wrote:
Xercodo wrote:


The Badger Mk II was renamed and that was about it.


what about glorious Iterations of Iteron 1-5?

3 more renames with specialised holds - still can't remember which name matches which ship Sad


Their new names all sound like they're Alliance Tournament prizes tho....

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#18 - 2015-02-07 01:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Try arming a handfull of Minmatar POS. I am really happy with that ammo bay on the Hoarder, despite its seemingly lackluster bonus its a great boon for arming those defenses.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2015-02-07 01:33:30 UTC
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-02-07 02:15:03 UTC
How about remove all t1's and t2's haulers and replace them with t3 ones. Since everyone talking about t3's.

So with that change we have a green light to make ither high sec hauler with bigger cargo hold or swap for smaller cargo hold but with cov ops etc attributes.

Thus would reduce numbers of unneeded numerous hulls we have.

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