Player Features and Ideas Discussion

OK, I think it's time to address a mechanic that has gotten worse over the years in EVE.

This used to be a niche issue to fleet battles, because Carriers, but between Orcas, DST's, and Mobile Depots, it's time to face up to the fact that being able to refit in the middle of active combat is stupid.

The fact that I can drop a Mobile Depot and refit my primary weapon system in the middle of a mission is stupid, and makes mission running that much more imbalanced.

The fact that a fleet can hug their Carrier and refit resists on the fly is likewise stupid. It's drawing out large engagements to ridiculous lengths and negating a ton of tactical, strategic, and espionage choices made in the lead up to the battle.

The mechanic negates 90% of the supposed trade-offs to picking a fit and wreaks havoc on the balance of things. It likewise significantly diminishes the value of scouting and intel, and general strategic choices.

The fix is simple; there should be no in-space refitting with an active weapons timer. This pretty much leaves untouched all the super-useful benefits of in-space refitting as a general purpose thing while totally nerfing its ability to trivialize or draw-out combat engagements "on the fly". The fitting choices you make should not be so easy to change on the fly with varying circumstances.

I'm fine with the ability to reship (so no this is not some kind of stealth-nerf-hyperdunking thread). Reshipping implies you brought completely-fitted alternatives which is already a major trade off in terms of ISK put at risk as well as space used up in the Fleet Hangar. But being able to swap out resist modules or weapon systems on the fly is trivializing far too much content.

The people hunting mission runners care :)



Of course, all OP mechanics are awesome. That doesn't mean they should stay.

Caps need to blow up more. Step 1 on this lofty goal is, don't let them avoid blowing up by using cheese.

Have you thought about blowing up the Mobile Depot before it anchors? Or bumping the target off the Depot?

Yep, cannot blow up the mobile depot before you've landed on grid, and by the time you get on grid you've been dscanned and target has refit into WCS.

Honestly though the ability to refit a mission ship between short range and long range weaponry on the fly is far more peevy to me.



And this is part of the reason why capital fights drag out so damn long and why capital warfare is as boring as watching paint dry. You need overwhelming alpha to bring down a cap because anyone primaried has plenty of time to fit tank/resists. Which is BAD, mmkay?

Or it could be the 10% Tidi and heavy module lag, since if you look at major capital fights (as in both sides bring large number of capitals), caps die like flies if you convert it back out to real time from tidi.

5 minutes in Tidi to kill one dreadnaught in a capital brawl? That's only 30 real time seconds to chew through over 3 million EHP of a moderately tanked Moros without slaves or overheating.

And in the heavy cap brawls I have been a part of, even in 10% tidi it takes less than 5 minutes to kill enemy capitals.

OK, my next F&I thread will be about an IWIN high-slot module that insta-kills any mission NPC. You'll be in support of that, right?

Refitting is extremely tactical. It can really only be utilized by small groups because as the numbers increase people just die instantly so refitting has no value. But, when you have small enough numbers, refitting off carriers can turn boring stalemates into intense outplays like in the Clarion Call 3 which is totally up to date and relevant at this time.

all i'm getting out of this is.


"I don't/can't use this mechanic but it is used against me so i want it removed"

then get indirect

I would not support such a ridiculous idea, just as I can not and will not support this ridiculous idea.