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Criminal Status - Advice and help needed

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Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-02-04 03:44:00 UTC
Hey guys,

Okay, I've read all the stuff about Criminal Status, but i have a few questions that i am still not 100% about, as different players keep telling me different;

1, If i see a player with a flashing yellow symbol, can i attack him without CONCORD getting involved? and if yes, can i also pop there pod?

2, If i see a player with a flashing red symbol, can i attack him without CONCORD getting involved? and if yes, can i also pop there pod?

3, will i suffer a security status drop from attacking yellows and reds?

Thanks for taking the time to help out with these stupid questions, just want to be sure before i go do it, or tell someone else the wrong info
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2015-02-04 03:48:03 UTC
yes, yes, yes, yes, no.

But understand that if you shoot them they are allowed to shoot back and you'll have a limited timer between the two of you where he can attack you. So, generally, if you see someone yellow (suspect) it's a trap; he WANTS you to attack him and then he either kills you with his little ship (possibly with some help) or he switches ship to something bigger and meaner. So, just don't do it.
Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-02-04 03:51:47 UTC
Awesome, thank you, i was just really confused on the matter, glad it wont incure a security drop, i wasnt planning on hunting anyone, but i am currently operating near Uitra and there are alot of yellows in Kestrels or haulers.. and yeah.. Was just wondering as i am using a Garmur
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2015-02-04 03:53:13 UTC
1. flashing yellow is known as suspect. anyone can shoot a suspect without concord showing up, note that they have the right to then defend themselves. I'm pretty sure you can shoot suspect pods, but not 100% on that

2. Criminal status, yep you can shoot them, however concord will be getting involved, however concord will be getting involved with also shooting them. 99% sure you can pod them. (although I might be confusing the podding bit with outlaw status where their sec status is below minus five. where you can shoot and pod them without concord doing anything, and as they haven't done anything wrong (at least in the very recent past as far as concord is concerned) concord will not pursue them)

3. you only get sec status hits for things concord doesn't like, as concord won't shoot you for any of the above, no you won't lose sec status.

this dev blog will probably answer what I didn't clarify: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/introducing-the-new-and-improved-crimewatch/

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Trey Kutoi
SergalJerk
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2015-02-04 03:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Trey Kutoi
make sure it has a blinking yellow or red skull, otherwise you might unexpectedly lose said garmur to the cops. not everything that blinks is criminal or a legal target
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#6 - 2015-02-04 04:20:27 UTC
Trey Kutoi wrote:
make sure it has a blinking yellow or red skull, otherwise you might unexpectedly lose said garmur to the cops. not everything that blinks is criminal or a legal target


imo that means you set up your overview wrong.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-02-04 04:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Beware of the suspect baiter. It may look like an easy kill but it's probably not. Twisted

Go to town on Reds (although most of them are pretty slippery), just think twice before you attack a yellow, haulers should be safe but the battle nereus is also a thing.

If you do decide to focus on haulers fit multiple scrams as the ones scooping loot will usually have stabs.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-02-04 04:39:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexi Drakenovic
Holy crap, haha! That would be embarrassing to loose to that, i was mainly talking about the T1 Frigates or Destroyers i see flying around near the starter systems with suspect flags, saw one guy in a Destroyer killing Ibis's and Kestrels for fun.. I was in a Venture so no luck on removing him, but i was wondering cause i have what i think is a solid PvP fit for the Garmur, and i would prefer to test it on people killing new players then someone who has had a few months or years worth of PvP
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2015-02-04 04:51:50 UTC
Just a warning - the flashing yellow symbol isn't tied to the suspect flag, it's based upon your overview settings.

I have my overview set up to show suspects as solid yellow, criminals as solid red, and war targets (who I need to pay the most attention to, as they are allowed to initiate combat with me) as flashy red.

The default settings are, however, flashy yellow = suspect, flashy red = criminal.

Usually, a suspect actively wants them to shoot you. Sometimes they believe they have a big advantage over an unknown opponent (logistics support, off-grid boosting, or just confidence). Other times, they just want fights.

If in doubt, set your safety to yellow (in highsec) or green (in lowsec), and you will not be able to initiate any combat that will provoke either a CONCORD or sentry gun response, but be aware - your target can and will shoot back.


If you just want fights - you could always try sitting suspect flagged on a highsec gate... Someone will take a shot at you.

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Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-02-04 14:32:15 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
yes, yes, yes, yes, no.

But understand that if you shoot them they are allowed to shoot back and you'll have a limited timer between the two of you where he can attack you. So, generally, if you see someone yellow (suspect) it's a trap; he WANTS you to attack him and then he either kills you with his little ship (possibly with some help) or he switches ship to something bigger and meaner. So, just don't do it.


I am always confused why people bring up the bolded part? Sure he can change, but you gotta be pretty stupid to hang around and wait for him to do so. You will be either somewhere else in the system, or docked, or jump to another system. Nothing prevents you from doing it.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#11 - 2015-02-04 14:52:28 UTC
Bagatur I wrote:
[quote=Gregor Parud]I am always confused why people bring up the bolded part? Sure he can change, but you gotta be pretty stupid to hang around and wait for him to do so. You will be either somewhere else in the system, or docked, or jump to another system. Nothing prevents you from doing it.


A Weapons Timer will prevent you from jumping gates or docking in stations, that is why people bring this up.
Paranoid Loyd
#12 - 2015-02-04 14:55:30 UTC
Bagatur I wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
yes, yes, yes, yes, no.

But understand that if you shoot them they are allowed to shoot back and you'll have a limited timer between the two of you where he can attack you. So, generally, if you see someone yellow (suspect) it's a trap; he WANTS you to attack him and then he either kills you with his little ship (possibly with some help) or he switches ship to something bigger and meaner. So, just don't do it.


I am always confused why people bring up the bolded part? Sure he can change, but you gotta be pretty stupid to hang around and wait for him to do so. You will be either somewhere else in the system, or docked, or jump to another system. Nothing prevents you from doing it.

You must have understood all of the rules and mechanics out of the box right?
It is very common for a noob to spend the 15 or so seconds required to dock up and change ships viciously hitting the dock button and not realizing they have a weapons timer. I have caught my fair share and I rarely spend time baiting.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#13 - 2015-02-04 14:58:53 UTC
It's not just noobs. The amount of mission runners in Golems and whatnot who hang around in their mission after having shot that pesky salvaging frigate who then quickly "ran away" is hilarious. And they STILL tend to be around when you come back in a Legion/Loki.


People are dumb as hell.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-02-04 15:03:37 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
It's not just noobs. The amount of mission runners in Golems and whatnot who hang around in their mission after having shot that pesky salvaging frigate who then quickly "ran away" is hilarious. And they STILL tend to be around when you come back in a Legion/Loki.


People are dumb as hell.


last time that happened I waited in my mission in an enyo and the guy who came in with a wolf was most unpleasantly surprised.

:D
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#15 - 2015-02-04 15:09:54 UTC
Alexi Drakenovic wrote:
Holy crap, haha! That would be embarrassing to loose to that, i was mainly talking about the T1 Frigates or Destroyers i see flying around near the starter systems with suspect flags, saw one guy in a Destroyer killing Ibis's and Kestrels for fun.. I was in a Venture so no luck on removing him, but i was wondering cause i have what i think is a solid PvP fit for the Garmur, and i would prefer to test it on people killing new players then someone who has had a few months or years worth of PvP


Keep in mind that there are strict limits on what you can adn cant do in starter systems. For instance you cannot "can" bait. I suspect that rule is the same for suspect baiting as well. Also remember that there are two type of folks who go suspect in high sec - noobs and those looking for a fight. Noobs are those that get tricked into going suspect or do so accidentally. Everybody else does it intentionally to provoke a fight. If you see someone go suspect you should presuppose that they are looking for a fight and are prepared - which means that if you attack them in your pve fit ship, you're likely going to lose. So if you want to engage in pvp you need a plan, which at a minimum involves having a ship that is setup for pvp. GL

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#16 - 2015-02-04 15:14:15 UTC
Bagatur I wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
yes, yes, yes, yes, no.

But understand that if you shoot them they are allowed to shoot back and you'll have a limited timer between the two of you where he can attack you. So, generally, if you see someone yellow (suspect) it's a trap; he WANTS you to attack him and then he either kills you with his little ship (possibly with some help) or he switches ship to something bigger and meaner. So, just don't do it.


I am always confused why people bring up the bolded part? Sure he can change, but you gotta be pretty stupid to hang around and wait for him to do so. You will be either somewhere else in the system, or docked, or jump to another system. Nothing prevents you from doing it.


What frequently happens is that folk get tunnel vision - they say to themselves - I won, he's not coming, high-fives all around. They chatting on ts or typing in corp/alliance channel saying what a noob the who attacked them was and are linking the km. Then they try and loot the wreck and by that time - the guy they attacked is back on grid and things are not going so well.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#17 - 2015-02-04 15:14:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Any sort of fuckery with newbies in designated newbie systems (both starter as career system) is NOT allowed and will result in a GM yelling at you using harsh language. And they won't be interested in your Elawyering and excuses about how according to (imaginary) rules it should be ok to do so.

Don't do it.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2015-02-04 15:26:17 UTC
Of course they could just kill you in that pidely little frigate, sometimes not but its generally worth checking the killboard of anyone suspect baiting just to be sure your not walking into an engagement engineered against you.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#19 - 2015-02-04 16:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: L'ouris
Now that everyone has explained why you shouldn't shoot those yellows and reds, let me be the first to recommend it Smile

Yes, its probably a trap
Yes they are probably in a pvp capable ship just itching to murder some poor young nubbin.
Yes your skills are probably crap compared to theirs.


You learn more from one good adversary than you will from 100 forum posts.
There they are, offering you content and learning on a silver platter.

You can learn to scan them down in system, hunt them in the comfort of high sec, stalk prey
pattern them etc.

Some folk like hunting deer, some folk like hunting other predators P

get you feet wet, don't act like a knob and start up a convo with the pilot. learn and grow in the sandbox.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2015-02-04 16:44:38 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
Now that everyone has explained why you shouldn't shoot those yellows and reds, let me be the first to recommend it Smile

Yes, its probably a trap
Yes they are probably in a pvp capable ship just itching to murder some poor young nubbin.
Yes your skills are probably crap compared to theirs.


You learn more from one good adversary than you will from 100 forum posts.
There they are, offering you content and learning on a silver platter.

You can learn to scan them down in system, hunt them in the comfort of high sec, stalk prey
pattern them etc.

Some folk like hunting deer, some folk like hunting other predators P

get you feet wet, don't act like a knob and start up a convo with the pilot. learn and grow in the sandbox.

See my link, it's exactly that.

I was chatting with them afterwards and apparently they had a falcon cloaked on grid just incase.

I'm flattered they thought it might've been necessary but my point was they checked my kb beforehand and didn't underestimate .

By all means , engage away but do some cursory examination beforehand.
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