EVE New Citizens Q&A

Given the Mods shown and Skills that the vindicator pilot almost certainly had, I don't think there is any way a Tornado could do 6500 damage through either the shield or the structure, however with the right ammunition combination it might have been able to do that through the armour and some random person in the firing squad will hit the sweet spot.

I will have to try it some time but I'm still working on having a tornado that does half that.

As a general principal, ganking is relatively rare. If you avoid congested areas while mining and/or missioning, dont autopilot while afk, and dont bling out your ships, you will avoid the vast majority of ganks.

That being said, buffer is better at avoiding ganks then active tanks for the simply reason that the pilot has to have his active tank turned on for it to work, which frequently doesnt happen when you are suddenly and without warning attacked. As for armor v. shield - well for mining you are going to go shield because that's the way the barges are setup as for missioning you are going to go with what is best for the particular missioning boat you pick i.e. some are intended to be shield and some are intended to armor. Now if you are talking about hauling goods - well then you really need to be concerned with agility, align time, and time to get into warp. When you haul, you want to be on grid as little as possible while presenting as small a signature as possible. Armor adds mass and slows you down. On the other hand shield extenders bloom your signature making you easier to hit. How you approach hauling will depend upon the ship you use, and what you are hauling. If you haul amounts that are significantly more then the value of your ship then you invite ganking.

Also take into consideration, a target does not always switch on his resist mods when flying from system to system. Which is why I said he was ganked after the he was done with the incursion and also within 15 minutes before his NPC aggression timer ended. Which is why there are so few Nado's required on that killmail as well as why there is a npc with over 500k damage in it as well.

If there is one thing this thread has proven, there are very few creative thinkers in this game.

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It depends what type of fit you are using but the advantage of ganking using a 40 sec cycle Howitzer fit is that it does the same damage as it would in 40 seconds. So however quickly concord turns up you do 40 seconds worth of DPS.

200k was my glance estimate against Hail which is Kinetic Explosive, not that you can use hail in howitzers but anyway whatever the artillery T2 ammo is called

1400mm scout artillery, show info rate of fire = 40.16 s Don't know if that means something different ?

Yeah, you are right, there is more pilots the further through the links and scroll down tabs you go, 13 different pilots caused damage to that Vindicator after I looked a bit closer.

My glance estimate

You need over 120% bonus to rate of fire to bring it down to 17 seconds,

Gyros 10%,
Rigs 10%
BC skill 5 = 25%
Rapid Fire 5 = 20%



But then a Tornado only has 342 CPU and 1400mm are 47 CPU Each And Gyros take a fair bit of CPU too. It is the 1400mm guns that are a complete nightmare to try and put on a Tornado. You only have 4 low slots and even with projectile weapon rigging 5 each of your rigs is going to add 5% to the CPU usage of the 1400mm guns.

Neural enhancement 5 implants, using named modules so that they are 7 less CPU each
CPU Skills help but the stacking penalty that counts towards every module/rig with a % bonus to rate of fire is not going to let you keep adding 10% It is going to really difficult to get that bonus above 80%.

So I'm not so sure that it is possible to get 1400mm guns rate of fire down to 17 seconds.

1200mm can do it easily but the damage is half as much so what's the point ?

In the example Ralph gave, one of the Tornadoes scores 6500 damage, how does it do that if it is firing EMP or Plasma because there is no sweet spot in the armour for that damage type ?

Damage done by the gank adds up to 34k Total HP of a Vindicator 28k there may have been more than 13 ships because it might have been dead before they fired. That is far from the last unanswered question the kill mail leaves.

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Yep.

As you did the math it is automatically troll maths.